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The Pick Up Artist Posting Journey

2009-01-21T10:00:00.000-08:00

1. Unconscious incompetence

The newbie PUA starts posting, they don't know anything and they are trying to learn as much as possible. They ask questions like what is the best opener/system.. They try and pick up as much as they can. They go out a lot and hang out with a lot of other newbies so their lives are very focused on game, this means they post a lot.

2. Conscious incompetence

The newbie starts to realise that there is a lot more to PU than they thought and starts actually picking up information. They go out and apply some of the concepts then post back the results. They get mostly shit results but ask a lot of clarification questions and slowly improve. They still post a lot because they are still very focused on game and getting girls.

3. Conscious competence

The PUA now matures and starts getting some results. They post FR's and LR's because things have started working for them and they want to share the good news. They start posting theory because they still have to think about what they are doing a lot. The results they get mean they have less time to spend posting and hanging out with other PUA's. They get caught up with their lives and start to realise that validation from other PUA's is not that important. They post some good advice mixed with their attempts at breaking down what they do. PUA's at this stage generally post a lot.

4. Unconscious competence

The PUA has now converted what they used to think about into "second nature" and has developed a very intuitive understanding of what they do.. They still post but have problems explaining things to others because now it "just happens". They post things like: went up to the girl and just said hey, we then went home and fucked for an hour. This pisses people off. They also start to develop more of a social circle and realise that now they can get girls any time, it's not really that interesting to do it constantly. They spend more time reading posts than writing them and it becomes more for entertainment than for learning. A lot of people leave the community at this stage and so stop posting altogether.

5. Conscious automatic conpetence

The PUA is able to see what is happening in situations much more clearly, they are aware of what they are doing and are able to to explain things to others in a way which helps them learn. Very few people ever get here which is why a lot of advice people give is so shit. These posters have pushed through the unconscious period and have developed clear ideas about how they get the results they do. Most of these guys start writing books or systems which explain their methods because they know how to help other people with their ideas. They usually get caught up with teaching at this point and realise that their time is quite limited so stop posting. They sporadically post good things but the volume is a lot lower than it once was. They don't post LR's or pics any more because most of the girls they are fucking are more important to them than the random one night stands they used to get. They don't see the point in constantly chasing girls because a. they are too busy working on other things and b. they can't find the time to actually fuck them all.

The world is your mirror

2009-01-21T09:57:00.001-08:00

Michael LeBoeuf. "The world is your mirror and your mind is a magnet. What you perceive in this world is largely a reflection of your own attitudes and beliefs."

I’ve been toying around with this idea for a while and it basically sums up how mindset affects results. Basically the world is your mirror. It simply reflects back to you the way you are.. If you are a generous, happy, loving person, you’ll get that back from people you meet.. If you feel secure and happy, you’ll experience people who are feeling that and it’ll be reflected back towards you. If all you see is uglyness, aggression and people who are out so screw you over, you’ll get that in your life instead...

If you want to change what you get from your life you probably not only have to change what you actually DO you also have to change the way you feel about the world. If you think that being a pervert is a negative thing and subsequently that sex is bad, you are going to have a hard time persuading people to do that with you.

If you changed that belief, your results would probably also change overnight. How do you change it.. Start acting like you believe someone would act who honestly believed it and the change will just happen. Gandhi once said that if you want to see a change in the world, just BE that change. Basically if you just act, the change will follow.

Fundamentally, the world is a mirror that always reflects you and your beliefs. What you see happening in the world is a representation (on a deeper level) of what is going on somewhere inside you. Your life is basically a constantly running self fulfilling prophesy.

This is why a lot of people come on here when they finally ‘get it’ and tell you just to focus on inner game and that game is nothing, you are the game, etc, etc.

What these guys are trying to say is that the way your life unfolds will be reflective of the way you feel about yourself. That’s also why so much of ‘game’ is about whether you feel entitled to having a certain kind of woman.

Often people get this type of idea on the surface and so start talking about the beliefs they think they should have, they come on the forum to tell you what they would do and constantly daydream about the life they could be leading. The thing is until you can actually act on a belief it’s never really going to get communicated to anyone. The people who feel they endlessly need to brag about how great they are usually don’t believe it, people who really are the shit just expect you to know already...

If you honestly did believe that you were seriously desirable to women, your results would reflect that. Even if you didn’t believe it but acted like it were true, your results would massively improve. There are many other beliefs which even if you just acted like they were true would dramatically improve your results.

There is a very basic human desire to do the right thing socially. When deciding how to act in a social situation, people want to know what the RIGHT thing to do is. They often don’t much care what the actual action is, they just want to know what they SHOULD do. This is one of the reasons why people, and especially women, are so influenced by what everyone else is doing. Girls are constantly trying to figure out what the correct action should be in a situation, so when you act like a certain outcome is the right one they will just act as per your expectation. It's one of the reasons why they sometimes harshly blow out newbies, because it's so obvious that's what they expect to happen, why else would they be so scared...

Bottom line, if you constantly make it obvious to people what the right action is, they will usually take it for you.

So if you want to start changing the kind of results you get.. You can work out what beliefs someone who got those results would have, figure out how they would approach the situation you're in and then just act like you believe they would act. As soon as you start doing that confidently you’ll start shattering all the old beliefs which you had about the way ‘game’ is supposed to be and will most likely dramatically improve your current situation and the results which you get.

If you get stuck with thinking about beliefs and attitudes, and can't figure out how to be around a particular girl. You can simplify the whole thing by asking one simple question: what would her boyfriend do in this situation.? That will often give you a good starting point.

Even if you went out into the world with no pickup theory at all but had a good understanding of this concept, you could change overnight the way that girls responded to you. Act like you expect them to respond well and they will 99% of the time.

New sex seminar on Feb 14th

2009-01-21T09:51:00.000-08:00

Due to popular request... I've set up another sex seminar for Feburary the 14th @ 1pm.

Given that all of these have gone down so well recently I'm quite looking forward to this next one. I'll have a few videos to share with the group and I'm going to try and make this one as interactive as possible.

visit www.howtoorgasm.co.uk for more info.

levels of game

2008-12-20T05:40:00.000-08:00

My understanding of what I was trying to articulate when I started talking about the effectiveness of rehearsing lines and scripting conversations has evolved a lot recently.. I can now explain it to people in a much less confrontational way, which seems to help get to the actual point of what I'm trying to explain much better..

There are broadly 3 levels of game..

Level 1.. The what do I say level.. Here you worry about the specifics of what you are actually saying..

Level 2.. The frame level.. You become aware that the frame you adopt can change the meaning of what you say and also help you say the right things, so you pick some and try to enforce them on people..

Level 3.. The sub communication level. You realise that the words and the frame are massively less important than your SUBCOMMUNICATIONS which are basically driven by the state which you experience and project.. When you are at level 3 you pull girls and all the guys around you can't tell how your doing it..

If you look at the Mystery Method as the classic example of a 'system', what it allows you to do is get level 1 and level 2 without actually understanding anything about them.. It forces you to adopt the invert dating frame (girl chases guy) and gives you a bunch of things to say so you don't run out of stuff (the routines)... When you get good at picking up girls you realise that you can do the whole thing without really saying anything because you are finally operating on the next level up...

Everyone who's really good is at level 3.. When those guys go on the forum and post advice they get people stuck on levels 1 and 2 all confused.. These guys then go and post negative comments thinking that it's crap advice to just go up to the hottest girl around and say "Hi I'm x". These people are still stuck on levels 1 and 2 and if you were going to listen to their advice, you'd get their same crappy, hit and miss results..

Forget worrying about whether you are going to be a 'natural' or a non natural, it's fucking irrelevant... Be aware that your success whatever your preferred 'method' is will be based on your ability to sub communicate attractive qualities and project the right state..

Until you can do that, your results will always be very hit and miss, whatever your chosen style of game.

Someone asked me about ways they could work on their sub communications at my seminar last week and it's actually quite simple..

All you have to do is TAKE ACTION before you can think of a way to fuck it up...

Just put yourself in the situation enough times and your sub communications will take care of themselves.. We are, after all, DESIGNED to do all of this stuff automatically, its literally hard-wired into us..

Approach girls who attract you, take the first step without hesitation and the results will come...

Sexual technique seminar on 14th December

2008-12-03T11:07:00.001-08:00

These seem to get better. I'm loving the feedback..

"mustve been in there for 10 seconds tops, she used the words "wow!" and "amazing!" almost constantly."

"one off the best talks, i have ever been too "

"one of the things i get from Sebastian is, he is on a very different level to alot of guys on here. very, very good teacher. in fact i was actually surprised how good it was."

"Went to Sebastian's talk last weekend, and it really is the real deal. He covers a lot of areas; what your frame should be, how to approach things, and of course how to actually do certain techniques."

I'm setting up another one for sunday the 14th December.. You can book tickets from the how to orgasm website.

Sex seminar

2008-11-16T15:12:00.000-08:00

Hi Guys...

Given the good response from my last one of these, I've decided to set up another session.

The date will be 29th November starting at 1pm and going on for about an hour and a half.

I'm going to get a bigger venue this time so will be able to take about 40 people. I'm still fixing the location and have a few options, depending on the volume of people who want to go... The venue will be in central London, very likely somewhere around Holborn.

I'll be opening this up to the seduction community but I'll also be advertising it outside. For personal reasons I've been thinking that it might be nice to get a few lesbians in if possible and also to try and get some of this stuff a bit more 'mainstream'... So just to pre-warn you, expect to see some familiar faces, but also possibly some girls as well as non community people.

We will be covering the following:

* The mindsets it takes to be a great lover
* Sexual communication, being a more sexual person and injecting sexuality into relationships
* Orgasms, the many types as well as how to make them stronger, more frequent and more intense
* Fingering - tried and tested techniques
* Oral - how to give and how to enhance what you receive
* Anal - how to initiate it and how to make sure it's enjoyable
* Female ejaculation, the common myths + a simple explanation of how to do it
* Pulling it all together - question and answer session

Given that the event will be held in a pub, I’ll be inviting everyone to stick around for a few drinks afterwards at which point I’ll be happy to answer questions 1-2-1.

If you would like to attend please visit http://sexseminar.eventbrite.com and book in advance.

I'm expecting this one to sell out so I will probably try and arrange another one sometime before Christmas.

Any questions drop me a message.

My physical escalation sequence

2008-09-04T16:41:00.000-07:00

I've been asked by a few people to write a post about what I mean when I say 'escalate like fuck'.. Bear in mind that this is what I would generally do in a quiet bar type venue or on the street and also that my style is very honest and direct so if a girl is not into me I will usually not be talking to her for longer than a minute or so..

Basically when I first interact with a woman I hold my hand out to introduce myself.. As they shake my hand I will almost always hold it for too long..

I will be making sure that I invade her personal space quite a lot almost straight away.

Second I will give them a hug - on a high point - as soon as possible.. Usually within about 20 seconds. I'd get them laughing, often by saying something which they find shocking/exciting rather than funny and when they laugh I'd just reach out and grab them.. I'd probably tell them something I like about them as I do this.

After the hug I will move them around physically..

I will be looking for excuses to hold her hand and take her somewhere..

I'll periodically move into her personal space and slowly get our faces closer together.. She might feel like we are about to kiss but I'll be talking to her about something at the same time..

After about a few minutes of all of the above I sense she is ready to be kissed so just move my head towards her slowly and kiss her.. Think about what you would do it you wanted to pickup a cat, very slow and deliberate movements.

Once I've kissed the girl I will let my hands wander liberally round her body, touching her all over. This will usually progress to fingering her pussy outside her jeans/clothes, hands on her ass and squeezing her breasts fairly quickly.. I'd calibrate this based on the girl and also on the environment.. If I was standing in a shopping centre I'd probably not be quite as blatant as if I was in a bar, I'd probably still do it, just slightly more discretely. Basically I'm constantly trying to make sure that if I feel like doing something I just do it.

I've had situations where I've been fingering girls while standing in a bar queue within 20 minutes of meeting them. It's all down to just vibing and doing what you feel you want to do. If she's genuinely turning me on then I'll just keep escalating until I get the feeling that I should stop. It's shocking how girls just don't seem to get uncomfortable if you aren't.

The whole time if the girl is not doing whatever I'm doing back to her I will be encouraging her to do it back to me by physically starting her doing it.. Getting her enjoying touching you is key to this whole process.

I will also tell them how I like to be touched and instruct them on how to please me.. At this point compliance should be a no brainer.. If they do what I say I make sure to tell them that I'm loving it.

If you do this you'll have amazingly fast escalation and the whole process will be supported by pure positive reinforcement.. When she thinks back she will think things like, I can't believe how into that guy I was, I was all over him.. This *provided your not needy* will really help set the tone for future 'dates'.

Getting laid same night in clubs and bars - Same night lay game model

2008-08-28T11:34:00.000-07:00

I'd like to share something with you guys which I've been working on for a while. It's getting me a bit of a reputation in London for regularly scoring same night lays almost every time I go out. Although I think the majority of my recent successes are due to calibration i.e. just knowing instinctively which girls will leave with me same night, I've also been experimenting with a SNL process which seems to be pretty solid.

I was never particularly impressed with the 8 hours till you fuck her MM ideas which some people used to support. For one I'm fucking impatient and for two I knew that some of the naturals I'd met regularly got girls in less than an hour, often fucking them in the venue.. They'd tell me stories about how they woke up in the morning next to some girl and they didn't even know each others names... Not because they forgot but because it just never came up.. They'd just say that the whole thing happened so fast that both of them just got caught up in it and had to fuck..

This post is my breakdown of the process by which these super fast lays happen. This is exactly like normal game but on a dramatically reduced timeframe. The rewards vs time spent are much higher and the only down side is that you don't have the option to make many mistakes. This is mainly due to the fact you are making some big short cuts.

The perfect approach would go something like this..

Walk towards a target girl. Get eye contact and mouth 'hey' when you are about 3/4 metres away.. Make sure you smile. - You could probably skip this step, so if your already approaching a girl and she doesn't see you, carry on as if she did.

Close the distance between you and hold out your hands for her to hold.. Once she holds them pull her into you and move her around for a while.. I'm a shit dancer and I generally do a fast waltz type thing which involves lots of small circles and basically spins her around quite a few times. I really don't think what you actually do matters much, it's more about leading her and being dominant as well as moving her enough to disorient her slightly. After a minute or so of that, start grinding with her.. Put your hands on her waist and squeeze her ass from time to time, also let your hands wander deliberately over her whole body.

Once you have been doing this for about another few minutes or so.. Get her pushed up against a wall or stationary object and start kissing her. This should be full on kissing with tongues preferably. Do this right and she will become very attracted.

After a few minutes of that check for logistics.. Find out who she's with, what her plans are for later etc.. If she's with a group this is the point where you have to meet them to see if any of them will try and cock block.

To soften the harshness of just blatantly asking logistics questions intersperse them with kissing and 'your cute/sexy' or whatever you feel fits.

If you get a positive vibe and logistics questions answered well, i.e. she's with some friends who like you, no plans for later, etc.. Take her to a quiet part of the venue.. I highly recommend looking for these parts of the venue before hitting on any girls...

In the quiet part of the venue you have one of two options, you can go straight for the extraction after a bit more kissing OR you can start qualifying.. I recommend qualifying because at the end of the day you want to make sure that your same night lay isn't going to be shit and there are always other girls in the venue...

My most recent conversation at this stage went like this..

Me: Come with me upstairs to sit down.
HB: OK.
Me: So are you good in bed?
HB: Yes of course. I can't believe you just asked me that.
Me: Can you deepthroat?
HB: No. OMG do you ask this to all the girls.
Me: Do you like anal sex?
HB: Yeah. It's ok, I like it from time to time.
Me: Have you ever fucked a girl?
HB: Once, it was fun.
Me: OK cool, so shall we get out of here.?

HB: starts testing me for 5 minutes and after me asking if she wanted me to leave (I really was prepared to walk) says that we can go back to hers, but we're not having sex... etc. etc. After about 5 minutes walk to her place (her testing me the whole way) I fuck her almost immediately on getting in the house.. Total contact time about 15 minutes..

This type of method is a very quick way to weed out girls who will not fuck first night. It's very efficient. You could run this on 5 different girls and if you get to isolation stage with more than 1 you will almost definitely fuck somebody. Obviously it's best not to do this with girls you don't want to fuck and hopefully you'll all be beyond 'warming up' on the unfuckable ones..

The only thing to keep in mind is that once you start this approach you have to be committed to escalation 100%.. If you get a positive reaction to the 'hey', you can likely fuck the girl same night if you don't act weird, get unlucky with logistics or fuck up the sexual vibe somewhere along the line.

Two things to remember ALWAYS.. These apply here ESPECIALLY but are obviously general rules for any PU.

1. Do not look to the girl for signs of approval, if she is still being compliant she approves.
2. Do not hesitate at any step.. Especially not when it comes to physical contact.. If you hesitate it will creep the girl out and she will drop the sexual vibe.

I can't over emphasise the hesitation point enough, it's definitely better to do something she doesn't like and have her tell you not to than to hesitate.

Given that this whole PU from meet to sex should last less than 30 minutes depending on logistics, it should be one of the easiest ways to get laid from bars and clubs.

The only caveat with this 'method' is that you will most probably get tested a lot.. Expect this because the girl has to make sure your not a psycho and is about to put herself potentially in danger with a random guy.. Just act cool and ignore/deflect any questions and you will get her no problem.. Here are some examples from last night.

HB: You only want to use me for sex don't you..
Me: Did you bring a coat/bag or anything else with you.?

HB: You know we aren't having sex right.
Me: Absolutely, I already told you that.. and anyway I prefer cuddling.

HB: How many girls have you slept with.
Me: I don't know I lost count after 20.

I used to tell stories to occupy their logical minds while walking them back but I think that allowing them to test you and passing each test is actually a better way to go.. If you do this then when you get back to the house they will give you much less LMR.. The reason why they are testing you is because they know what they are about to do, the more tests you pass the less likely they are to give LMR.

This is really the bar / club version of the 'my physical escalation sequence' post on my blog but that one was more a breakdown of my street approaches.

Although this is a SNL model, if you get a bad answer to the logistics questions you can always just isolate, get her number/set a date and then move on to other girls. You should still be sub communicating all the right things so it will likely be a very solid foundation for the next time you see her.

I had a few guys ask me what my success rate is with this and I'm happy to say that my personal results are great but it's really a pointless question.. It's like saying how many minutes do I have to wait till I can kiss a girl..

Bottom line, I don't know how many blowouts you are personally going to have to go through till you can pull this off consistently. Some guys will do it first time, some will never do it.. Are you a quick learner, are you going to be able to take the feedback from the blowout and improve, how much behavioural flexibility do you have... the variables are endless.

The only answer to how long will it take to get this working is how long will it take for you to be comfortable doing it..

For my personal results, last Sunday I walked into a venue.. Looked around for isolation spots and found a few, I then went onto the dance floor. As I was walking down the stairs to the dance floor I mouthed 'hi' to some girl dancing. I was fucking her in her house 15 minutes later. That was the first girl I approached in the venue.. I've had nights where I've had to open 5 girls before I found one with good logistics and other nights where it was much quicker.

What I am trying to explain is that because I can do that doesn't mean that will be the way it is for YOU.

I'd say anyone could get very good consistency using this method BUT you have to be very comfortable doing the process so fast.. A lot of guys will read this and think, how can this work, there's no comfort or rapport or whatever... The problem these guys face is that THEY not the girl need these things in order to feel comfortable.

To do this successfully you need to feel really comfortable escalating very fast, the method assumes rapport and comfort so you also have to be able to act like both these things are already there. If you're not comfortable you will either get blown out because you lack the right vibe, or you will revert to your standard game because that is your habitual behaviour.

I'd say my game is based on having spent a lot of time developing three things

1. behavioural flexibility
2. calibration
3. smoothness/vibing

I can see who things would work on and instinctively get a feel for the right kind of approach. The way you get that is by trying lots of different 'methods' and going through the pain period of blowouts until you get them working for you.. Everything works, the only question is can you make it work FOR YOU..

A lot of guys get a system which works for them and then just keep using that system. I'm literally obsessed with efficiency and self improvement so I'll try lots of different things.. Even now I'm currently trying to push the boundaries of what I can do and I'm going out every weekend trying new things which don't always work.

As a result of focusing on PU in a borderline obsessive way for almost 7 years I've got to a point where I can do some things very well. Having gone out and done these things over and over again I've come to the point where I can see things other people can't see and because of that can do things other people don't think they can do.

What I'd suggest if you like the sound of this process is you forget about every question you have, remember the basic structure and go out and properly try it. Doing it 10 times irrespective of outcome will answer every question for you much better than I can.

Anyway I'll look forward to hearing what you guys think of this and also how well it works for you so do let me know if you try it out...

Street approach follow up...

2008-08-17T12:15:00.001-07:00

I am improving my understanding of what I have to do to get girls every day...

I somehow knew that I still had some work to do on the girl from the street, just before my holiday... I called her up and we had a 20 minute chat about work and random stuff.. She now thinks I'm much more 'normal' than when we previously met.. I am quickly understanding that this is an important part of the pickup process. We exchange texts over the next few days and I've already set a meeting for saturday...

We meet up and I take her to one of my favourite rooftop gardens (very romantic) I have my hands all over her within 15 minutes. The problem is that she's talking about some guy she met while I was on holiday (I had a feeling that might happen) and says she can't because it's not fair to him.. I just start kissing her neck and she seems to think that this is ok.. Girls are so strange.

I'm running my hands up between her legs and rubbing her back inside her clothes.. She's basically stopped giving me any resisistance provided I don't ask her to do anything.. It's fun for a while but it's getting boring fast.. We end up talking for a while and I have an ephiany about how and why girls get very attached to me very fast..

There is a formula which you can use to get girls very hooked on you...

1. Be very dominant, confident and sexual...
2. Make them laugh.
3. Share vulnerabilities..

Repeat..

This seems to work to create a strong bond between you and the girl... I was running the formula for a while and she starts telling me that all she really wants is to find 'inserts description of me' who will love her and start a family. At this point I decide that there is no point in dating a girl like her so I text my friend and bail..

We end up going for coffee, she goes to the toilet to fix her makeup.. I decide that I should walk away now, feel bad and run down to the front of the shop to write her a note saying sorry it wouldn't work, have a nice life etc... Problem is that she comes back in the middle of me writing the note and asks me what I'm doing..

This was very awkward.

I notice that she's put on lipstick/gloss so that she's more kissable and its obvious that she likes me now... She's flipped from cold and aloof to nice and touchy.. She sees the note and her face literally drops. I say my friend is waiting for me in the car somehow, recover the awkwardness say goodbye and leave..

It's definitely a learning experience but I'm going to have to make sure that I always make sure that their status is still the same BEFORE I go to meet them.. Especially given that this is the second girl this happened with this week..

The perils of kissing girls too fast...

2008-08-11T10:28:00.000-07:00

I've been realising that one thing which I had never really got down was the instant make out.. Just going up to a girl and kissing her almost immediately.. I always knew it was possible to lock on to a girl and just without saying anything walk up and kiss her but I'd never systematically gone out to try and replicate it over and over..

Well now I can safely say that while it's great to be able to walk up and kiss girls really fast I don't think that it's the best thing to be doing.. a. from a purely results point of view and b. because of the health issue..

Kissing 4 or 5 hot girls a night is great for your ego but in terms of results it's not SOLID GAME.. At all.

I am now sitting about with the worst cold which I'm sure arrived because I was being just a little too liberal with the kissing.. Instant make outs are not something which is necessary to get laid and I'd definitely not recommend it to guys aspiring to up their actual results..

Yes many hot girls will kiss you if you are dominant about it. The problem is that if you do it too soon you will not always be able to fuck them afterwards and you don't have time to check that they don't have colds etc.

It was a very fun experiment though...

My trip to Croatia

2008-08-10T12:03:00.000-07:00

I've been in croatia for the last 15 days.. It's awesome here, soooo many fucking hot girls. It's insane..

It seems to be more like long game here.. The girls want you to invest a lot of time in them and given that I'm a tourist and I mostly fancy the locals I think I'm making life harder for myself..

There are a few DTF girls here tho so it's not that hard to get laid.. The problem is that the really high quality girls just want to make out and swap emails rather then fuck.. Oh well..

I'm going to give the emails a bit of a go over the next few months and see what happens. After all it's not often that you meet 17 year old sweet innocent village girls who also happen to be blessed with the most sexy bodies I've ever groped..

Hopefully they will eventually come to London...

Kissing a girl in less than 5 minutes.. FLASH GAME..!

2008-08-10T11:58:00.000-07:00

FLASH GAME – This is not solid game.. It’s borderline a waste of time.. BUT it’s fucking fun.

Decided to meet a friend at a singles event and give him a crash course in making yourself more attractive.. I got in and couldn't see him anywhere so i just approach the least ugly girl I can see (they are almost ALL fucking horrible) and ask her to buy me a drink.. She laughs then realises I’m serious.. We chat for a while.. I can’t see my friend anywhere so I open the least ugly girls blonde Brazilian mate – I hadn't noticed her originally but she's the hottest girl in the venue by far - 7 I’d say but given the competition she’s this venues best option.. We chat for about two minutes.. It’s fucking loud.. I can’t hear her at all.. I motion her to follow me round the corner so I can hear her.. She does.. I hug her and then we make out.. She’s shocked by this a lot, it seems to fry her circuits a bit.. I walk her back to rejoin her friends.. Chat to her mates for a few minutes just to play nice and then go back to her asking if she’d like my number.. She would and takes it down..

If this girl texts (highly unlikely) I’ll let you know...

Cold approach on the street.

2008-08-10T11:54:00.001-07:00

More experimenting with street game which is basically an attempt by me to try and see what I can get out of my random walking around in the capital..

Was running a little late to meet Dee.. Got to London about 7:30 ish went straight to Bond street... I get out of the station, call Dee and he’s 10 minutes away.. As I walk to meet him I chat to a few people to get directions, I do my usual thing when it comes to finding out where things are.. I approach the hottest girl in sight..

Now I’d definitely recommend that if you genuinely need directions you ask the hottest girl around, asking for directions then becomes your warm up and you actually get to where you want to go.. How’s that for efficiency.. Obviously if she’s into you should also try to close her..

Anyway after meeting Dee and parking the car we spot a hot girl walking down the other side of the street.. She’s fucking tall but very hot in her little black dress – obviously on the way to some kind of dinner.. She’s asking the porter from the Marriot for directions to some restaurant.. I approach him to ask where Corkeys is interrupting her approaching him. I ask her what she wanted to ask and she said something about a restaurant so I point her in Dee’s direction telling her that he knows all the best ones so she should ask him.. She talks to Dee and I get directions from the dude.. He’s pointing us in a slightly different direction from the girl but I decide to follow her instead.. She’s someway off by now so I have to jog after her a bit.. The interaction goes something like the following, bear in mind it happens over about 5 minutes...

Hey.. Slow down.. I can’t believe you made me jog to keep up..
HB: Giggles.. sorry..

So where are you off to..
HB: She tells me the restaurant name..

Sounds nice.. so do you have a hot date..
HB: No, it’s just a (chode) friend..

Cool, so what’s your name..
HB: you tell me first..

I laugh and ask her again.. What’s your name..
HB: You first..

No offence but thats a crap name... I’m Seb.

HB: Laughs.. Hi seb, I’m HB..

(we shake hands)

More conversation ...

HB: So what are you looking for..?

True love.. What about you..
HB: Laughs.. I’m looking for X restaurant...

No offence but that’s a crap thing to be looking for.. HB.. Mine’s much better..

HB: More laughing..

We walk and chat a bit more.. Eventually we can see corkeys and I stop walking, announcing that we’ve arrived..

I say something about how the restaurant will be fun and indicate that we are about to go our separate ways..

She looks at me, realises I’m about to walk and then asks “so what’s this building” – pointing to some church looking building.. I KNOW she doesn’t give a shit about the building BUT this is where she starts investing..

I turn to her and say I don’t know.. Then I ask her if she’s brave..

HB: No, not really..

So you’re not brave enough to ask me for my number..

HB: Shakes her head.. No.

HB: Are you brave enough to call me if I give you my number..

HB: Laughing.. Shakes head.. No.

She then says something about how I’m too young – this is where she starts testing.. aka, qualifying me.

Seb: Yeah but that’s perfect, we already know the relationships not going to work out so we can just have hot steamy sex instead.. and not worry about ‘where it’s going’..

HB: Smiles..

Deeboy: interjects something about how I’m older than I look..

HB: So how old are you..

I tell her I’m 27 and then ask her back.

HB: Smiles.. I’m 28..

OMG your right.. That’s too much of a gap, it’ll never work between us.. I hug her..

HB: Hands me her business card and says she has to go..

I point to my cheek , she goes in to kiss me but just stops short and then blows me a kiss..

I shout after her that I’m already falling in love..

HB: Yeah right..! Smiling..

She leaves.

An hour later text her and we banter about how she’s going to get us a hotel room so we can stare into each other’s eyes and watch the sunrise.. She’s comes back saying that we have to get married first.. It’s so on.. Shame I’m out of the country for 15 days fucking other girls...

Street PU - 17 year old french girl

2008-08-10T11:44:00.001-07:00

I recently have been experimenting with street pickups to try and get into a routine of always talking to girls I want to fuck where ever I am.. So the night before leaving for Croatia I'm walking back through London and I see a cute French chick.. She has a firm young body with the sweet and innocent look that I love..

I smile at her and say Hi which she returns but we both keep walking in opposite directions.. I was walking with my wing but I decide I should go back and get her.. I run back..

I run my standard direct game.. No deviation really. See my post on 'my physical escalation sequence' it's basically the structure.

She says she wants to go clubbing but is waiting for a friend.. Some Romanian chode guy who she’s supposed to be meeting.. I think lucky me.. She’s HOT and DTF...

She says she’s left her ID at home but wants to go clubbing.. I just know when I’m being lied to now.. It’s like a sixth sense.. I say are you sure that’s the truth.. She confesses that she’s only 17.. Aww.. you’re so cute.. HUG!

I say she should come with me to this Spanish club, I call my wing Dee and he rejoins us.. We walk to the club hand in hand and by this point it’s fucking obvious what’s going on.. I’m running quite smooth escalation on her and within an hour we are ravishing each other on the dancefloor.. Hands everywhere, it’s awesome.. I make sure to ask her if she’s a virgin (NO MORE VIRGINS!!!)

She isn’t (she’s done it twice) so it’s fine.. Phew.

Dee suggest we go and so we walk to the car and bounce home.. When we arrive I just walk her straight to the bedroom and rip off her clothes.. She had been rubbing my cock through my jeans in the car for 20 minutes while I was fingering her and was fucking horny..

BUT.. She won’t take her underwear off.. I’m thinking WTF.. This doesn’t fit.. She’s DTF..

This is where I find out she’s on her PERIOD!! Fuck. This now has to go into my standard qualifiers for same night lay game.. Lesson learned.. She’s on her period and fucking shy about it.. HOW ANNOYING!

We have fun in other ways.. I make her come a few times for good measure and being the gentleman I am walk her to the bus stop in the morning.

I sense it’s going to be a blast...

A little note about same night lay qualification.. Rule number 1 in qualification is not to ask her things you don’t give a shit about.. If you are asking her girlfriend type qualifiers (about her personality) and you don’t want a relationship this will be a FUCKING bad idea..

Sexual inuendo vs Sexual intent

2008-07-21T02:51:00.000-07:00

A lot of people don't get the difference between sexual inuendo and sexual intent, these are not at all the same.. I almost always get girls laughing a lot when I pick them up BUT it's not because I'm funny.. The reason they laugh is to diffuse the sexual tension I'm generating..

Following from the escalation post I wanted to clarify what it actually means to have sexual intent.. This is such a crucial thing and although the difference in words can be really subtle the EFFECT is dramatically different..

Example from my friend sasha.. This guy is one of those rare commedians who's actually funny.. Read sasha's blog

"I like you because you have fantastic... (motions to breasts) ... personality...."

This will probably get a laugh..

Sexual inuendo is funny.. but I'd avoid it because it's a bit like using a blunt sword. your making a sexually charged statement.. but taking the edge of it with humor..

I choose: Aww your so cute.. come here.. *hug*.. While hugging - you know I really like your breasts pressed up against me like this... we should do this again.. *pause* preferably without clothes..*pause again* Anyway you really shouldn't be turning me on this much in public. - stop hug.

The difference in words is subtle, but the effect on her is quite dramatically different.. She will probably laugh.. but not because it's funny.

On a closing note... Remember that the sexual tension builds up in the sliences so they are very important. Often you need to SLOW DOWN so that what you say sinks in fully. One of the key things I notice when I'm hanging out with new guys is that they should just slow the fuck down.. Often they are coming up with great lines but the impact is being totally lost as they strugle to fill all the sliences..

Silence is your friend and it will induce strong feelings in the girl if used properly.

Street game... Foreign hot girls...

2008-07-19T23:55:00.001-07:00

Went out to London yesterday with deeboy.. We walked around approached some girls in the street, most ended up being tourists (why are the hottest girls in London never English)...

Some were quite interesting but leaving in a few days... It's great how you can get a feeling for how open someone is within 1 minute of starting a random conversation with them..

The nicest girls of the evening (Italians who leave tomorrow) were great, just walked up with hey guys and we all started talking (me, deeboy, three of them) like old friends.. Shame the hot one had a boyfriend back home.. She insisted on taking my details (allegedly to send the pictures we took and improve her English) which was quite sweet, she was my perfect type of girl, shy, sweet, sexy as hell..

Had a bit of fun practising picking up girls in front girls I've already slept with - if I'm ever going to have regular threesomes I'll need to get this down..

Was getting lots of girls looking over at me so I just walked to the edge of the bar in this venue we went to and started vibing with these two Italians (I'm starting to hate that they are all 'visiting'). One was hot so I swapped numbers with her and said I'd call her today.. I'll have to offload the girl who's currently in my bed before I can realistically go and meet her though. I don't think propositioning her for a threesome on our first meet will be the best way to go, although from the way she was staring at the girl I eventually took home with me I think she might be up for it. ;)

I'll let you guys know what happens.

How to be a man

2008-07-19T01:43:00.001-07:00

Reposted from http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2008/05/how-to-be-a-man/

What does it mean to be a man today? How can men consciously express their masculinity without becoming cold or closed-hearted on the one hand… or wimpy and emasculated on the other? What’s the most loving way for a conscious man to express himself?

Here are 10 ways to live more consciously as a man:

1. Make real decisions.

A man understands and respects the power of choice. He lives a life of his own creation. He knows that life stagnates when he fails to decide and flourishes when he chooses a clear path.

When a man makes a decision, he opens the door he wants and closes the doors he doesn’t want. He locks onto his target like a guided missile. There’s no guarantee he’ll reach his target, and he knows this, but he doesn’t need such guarantees. He simply enjoys the sense of inevitability that comes from pushing the launch button.

A man doesn’t require the approval of others. He’s willing to follow his heart wherever it leads him. When a man is following his heart-centred path, it’s of little consequence if the entire world is against him.

2. Put your relationships second.

A man who claims his #1 commitment in life is his relationship partner (or his family) is either too dishonest or too weak to be trusted. His loyalties are misplaced. A man who values individuals above his own integrity is a wretch, not a free thinker.

A man knows he must commit to something greater than satisfying the needs of a few people. He’s not willing to be domesticated, but he is willing to accept the responsibility that comes with greater challenges. He knows that when he shirks that duty, he becomes something less than a man. When others observe that the man is unyieldingly committed to his values and ideals, he gains their trust and respect, even when he cannot gain their direct support. The surest way for a man to lose the respect of others (as well as his self-respect) is to violate his own values.

Life will test the man to see if he’s willing to put loyalty to others ahead of loyalty to his principles. The man will be offered many temptations to expose his true loyalties. A man’s greatest reward is to live with integrity, and his greatest punishment is what he inflicts upon himself for placing anything above his integrity. Whenever the man sacrifices his integrity, he loses his freedom… and himself as well. He becomes an object of pity.

3. Be willing to fail.

A man is willing to make mistakes. He’s willing to be wrong. He’d rather try and fail than do nothing.

A man’s self-trust is one of his greatest assets. When he second-guesses himself by worrying about failure, he diminishes himself. An intelligent man considers the prospect of failure, but he doesn’t preoccupy himself with pointless worry. He accepts that if a failure outcome occurs, he can deal with it.

A man grows more from failure than he does from success. Success cannot test his resolve in the way that failure can. Success has its challenges, but a man learns more about himself when he takes on challenges that involve risk. When a man plays it safe, his vitality is lost, and he loses his edge.

4. Be confident.

A man speaks and acts with confidence. He owns his attitude.

A man doesn’t adopt a confident posture because he knows he’ll succeed. He often knows that failure is a likely outcome. But when the odds of success are clearly against him, he still exudes confidence. It isn’t because he’s ignorant or suffering from denial. It’s because he’s proving to himself that he has the strength to transcend his self-doubt. This builds his courage and persistence, two of his most valuable allies.

A man is willing to be defeated by the world. He’s willing to be taken down by circumstances beyond his control. But he refuses to be overwhelmed by his own self-doubt. He knows that when he stops trusting himself, he is surely lost. He’ll surrender to fate when necessary, but he won’t surrender to fear.

5. Express love actively.

A man is an active giver of love, not a passive receiver. A man is the first to initiate a conversation, the first to ask for what’s needed, and the first to say “I love you.” Waiting for someone else to make the first move is unbecoming of him. The universe does not respond positively to his hesitation. Only when he’s in motion do the floodgates of abundance open.

Man is the out-breath of source energy. It is his job — his duty — to share his love with the world. He must wean himself from suckling the energy of others and become a vibrant transmitter of energy himself. He must allow that energy to flow from source, through him, and into the world. When he assumes this role, he has no doubt he is living as his true self.

6. Re-channel sex energy.

A man doesn’t hide his sexuality. If others shrink from him because he’s too masculine, he allows them to have their reaction. There’s no need for him to lower his energy just to avoid frightening the timid. A man accepts the consequences of being male; he makes no apologies for his nature.

A man is careful not to allow his energy to get stuck at the level of lust. He re-channels much of his sexual energy into his heart and head, where it can serve his higher values instead of just his animal instincts. (You can do this by visualizing the energy rising, expanding, and eventually flowing throughout your entire body and beyond.)

A man channels his sexual energy into his heart-centered pursuits. He feels such energy pulsing within him, driving him to action. He feels uncomfortable standing still. He allows his sexual energy to explode through his heart, not just his genitals.

7. Face your fears.

For a man, being afraid of something is reason enough to do it. A man’s fear is a call to be tested. When a man hides from his fears, he knows he’s fallen out of alignment with his true self. He feels weak, depressed, and helpless. No matter how hard he tries to comfort himself and achieve a state of peace, he cannot overcome his inner feeling of dread. Only when facing his fears does a man experience peace.

A man makes a friend of risk. He doesn’t run and hide from the tests of fear. He turns toward them and engages them boldly.

A man succeeds or fails. A coward never makes the attempt. Specific outcomes are of less concern to a man than his direction.

A man feels like a man whenever he faces the right way, staring straight into his fears. He feels even more like a man when he advances in the direction of his fears, as if sailing on the winds of an inner scream.

8. Honour the masculinity of other men.

When a man sees a male friend undertaking a new venture that will clearly lead to failure, what does the man do? Does he warn his friend off such a path? No, the man encourages his friend to continue. The man knows it’s better for his friend to strike out confidently and learn from the failure experience. The man honours his friend’s decision to reach out and make the attempt. The man won’t deny his friend the benefits of a failure experience. The man may offer his friend guidance, but he knows his friend must fail repeatedly in order to develop self-trust and courage.

When you see a man at the gym struggling to lift a heavy weight, do you jump in and say, “Here… let me help you with that. Maybe the two of us can lift it together”? No, that would rob him of the growth experience — and probably make a quick enemy of him as well.

The male path is filled with obstacles. It typically includes more failures than successes. These obstacles help a man discover what’s truly important to him. Through repeated failures a man learns to persist in the pursuit of worthy goals and to abandon goals that are unworthy of him.

A man can handle being knocked down many times. For every physical setback he experiences, he enjoys a spiritual advancement, and that is enough for him.

9. Accept responsibility for your relationships.

A man chooses his friends, lovers, and associates consciously. He actively seeks out the company of people who inspire and challenge him, and he willingly sheds those who hold him back.

A man doesn’t blame others for his relationship problems. When a relationship is no longer compatible with his heart-centered path, he initiates the break-up and departs without blame or guilt.

A man holds himself accountable for the relationships he allows into his life. He holds others accountable for their behavior, but he holds himself accountable for his decision to tolerate such behaviour.

A man teaches others how to treat him by the relationships he’s willing to allow into his life. A man refuses to fill his life with negative or destructive relationships; he knows that’s a form of self-abuse.

10. Die well.

A man’s great challenge is to develop the inner strength to express his true self. He must learn to share his love with the world without holding back. When a man is satisfied that he’s done that, he can make peace with death. But if he fails to do so, death becomes his enemy and haunts him all the days of his life.

A man cannot die well unless he lives well. A man lives well when he accepts his mortality and draws strength from knowing that his physical existence is temporary. When a man faces and accepts the inevitability of death… when he learns to see death as his ally instead of his enemy… he’s finally able to express his true self. So a man isn’t ready to live until he accepts that he’s already dead.

The girl I met in sainsburys.. Yet another VIRGIN!!

2008-07-16T14:39:00.000-07:00

You know those times when you have that feeling you get when you are falling in love.. Where you have a lightness inside you and all things just seem really good to you.. Your just rolling around and not really giving a shit, knowing that whatever happens it will work out for the best.. This is where I am right now with game.. I go out sporadically.. hang out with friends. Chill. Talk to people who look interesting, and somehow always seem to end up hooking up with a fairly hot girl. I don't really use structure any more and difficult as it is to break down my 'game' I'd say it's based on two things.

Smooth escalation
Vibe - playful, sexual, honest, dominant

Unless I think there is a legitimate possibility of more than a few fucks from a girl I'll probably not run any structured game AT ALL. No 'attraction', no qualification, NOTHING.! I'll just have fun, escalate like fuck and let the girl experience my state for a few hours.. That’s literally it. I'll make a few jokes, get her laughing and communicate to her that we are going to fuck almost immediately.. It's like I'm skipping all the bullshit and moving straight to the 'we are boyfriend and girlfriend and we love each other' part of relationships. Like literally within 10 minutes of meeting the girl. It's hard to explain on here but basically I feel like I'm falling in love almost all the time, it's awesome..!

So anyway, here's an attempt to break down what happened with this particular girl…

I actually met her while I was shopping with my sister.. We were rolling round the supermarket just chatting and I saw this girl working on the checkout.. There's a few checkouts open, mostly balding Asian men and fat chicks working on them BUT one has this chick who looks like she could be quite fuckable..! I steer my sister in her general direction and start unloading the trolley.. The girl looks over at us and I smile while eye fucking the shit out of her and mouth 'Hi'.. She smiles and it's on.. We start talking while we're packing the stuff away, we joke a bit, lots of laughing and then her manager comes over and starts getting money out of her register. She obviously feels she can't talk any more with her manager there and the manager seems to be taking ages, I realise I can't really hold up the queue anymore and somewhat annoyed I end up just paying, wave her bye and walk off..

FF to a week later in Hoxton.. I'm out with Yen and DonC.. We get into this venue and Yen immediately plonks down in front of some girl at the bar. DonC and I leave him to enjoy her and walk to the dance floor.. I see some tall chick and go open her with hey what's up or something similar, we chat for a while about crap but I decide she's not hot from close up and go help DonC with 3 polish girls who he happens to be speaking to.. I move them out of the way and sit in the middle.. It's fun but they are not hot or sexual so I'm thinking fuck this.. I get up and I'm standing in the almost empty dance floor and this girl runs up and grabs me.. She starts saying.. Hey I know you.. you live in x right..Huh I'm honestly totally clueless at this point.. I remember thinking OK this chick is hot and DTF, I should try to fuck her..

DonC is obviously confused, he says to me quietly 'Dude have you fucked her..?'.. I honestly couldn't answer so I thought best ask her..

Girl: Do you remember me?
Me: Have we fucked?
Girl: Looks confused.. Pauses.. looks at me… realises I'm actually asking a serious question.. Smiles and replies 'Not yet.. '

It's on… again.. Grin

I spend the next 5 minutes talking to her two mates.. making them like me. I give them hugs, make them laugh, they tell me I'm cool, we swap stories.. This takes about 5 minutes and is so worth doing.. They later help me by telling her I'm awesome and she should get with me.. Also talking to her friends projects a lot of good things:

Your non needy
Your sociable
You have options (she will wonder if her friends would fuck you and rightly assume that they probably would)

When you come back to her it also DEMONSTRATES that you've chosen her! This is fucking attractive.

I go back to her to swap numbers while she fills me in on how we first 'met' so I can finally remember. We talk about random shit, I get rapport with the group, fuck about for a while and then decide that I need to go ask Yen about the place where I can go fuck this chick.. We're in Hoxton.. That 3 minute glorious LR was in Hoxton.. That doorway must be near by right....

As I've swapped numbers with the girl.. I text her as I'm speaking to her with something along the lines of, 'Hey.. You’re the sexiest checkout girl I know...' I walk away and she gets the text, I hear the group start shrieking.. She's showing them the text.. Awesome..

I find Yen but he's obviously about to make out with his girl so I leave him to it.. Meet up with DonC and open some girls at the bar.. The hot one turns out to have a boyfriend… Sad I glance at Yen and he's making out with the girl.. Nice!

I walk back to the girls who are now on the dance floor.. Grab mine and dance her about 3 feet away from the group. This is such a good idea re isolation.. You are far enough away so she's not feeling watched but close enough for her to feel she's still with them.. I make out with her for about a minute or so.. Then we dance back to the group. I'm already projecting the whole 'we've already fucked vibe to her' and her mates have started to accept me as the boyfriend, cheering us on enthusiastically..

I decide that I don't want to dance with her all night and see a few other girls who are worth talking to.. I leave them telling them that I'm off to find my friend.. I finally find DonC and we roll around chilling for a bit.. Was quite cool to chat to other LSS dudes.. Nice to see you all btw. :)

I notice Yen had left with his girl, and decide that the best bet for the evening is to solidify things with the checkout girl..! DonC is getting bored of the venue too so we attempt to bounce them to a club.. We walk around in Hoxton and I'm walking ahead with my girl randomly dragging her out of sight periodically to do heavy make out and groping sessions.. She's telling me I'm naughty and I sense there is a conflict or something in her about sex but her body's responding so I just ignore the 'what are you doing' and focus on the fact that she's grinding her pussy into my hand and biting my neck..!

Although I am actually sick of virgins and I honestly wish more guys had game and could fuck them so I wouldn't have to end up 'breaking them in'.. The key thing to know about girls that have serious reservations about sex is that they are probably the horniest of all! She was so fucking deprived sexually that her body was begging to be fucked.. Literally her whole body was shaking from just being kissed on the neck while I whispered to her that I was going to fuck her ass.!

We walked around and eventually queued for a club.. It turned out to be too expensive for the girls so we went back.. It was quite funny that checkout girl got opened by a dude on the street as we waited in the queue.. He said something like 'Do you know how much it is to get in?' she was really nice trying to help him find out for a bit and then asked him why he didn't just ask the bouncers.. I leaned over, waved to the guys friend and said hi to him.. As he took a step back and then replied "I'd rather ask you".. Checkout girl laughed really loud, back turned him and kissed me.. I think the dude decided not to go into the club in the end..

Learn from this guy.. There were loads of other fuckable girls in an all girl group behind him he could have opened.. All the other girls in the queue saw this go down and also (because it's quiet outside) heard the whole thing.. Bad move..

Anyway we go back to the original bar and my sister joins us to get a drink at the bar.. She distracts checkout girls mate (awesome winging) while I wait with checkout girl at the back of the bar queue.. About 5 minutes later I'm alternating between fingering this girl hard and chatting to LSS guys standing behind us.. I've never felt so horny in a club as I did with her.. We definitely had a physical 'connection'.. Sorry guys if I seemed somewhat distracted..

She ends up saying that they have to go and I decide best to leave it there as she's staying with her mate.. I did tell her I was thinking about having a threesome with her friend but that her mate wasn't hot enough.. She laughed obviously thinking I was joking.. In the end I said it would be rude to come to her mates place and fuck her without letting her friend get involved so I suggested she comes to my house late the next day.. She seemed to agree but I sensed something was up somehow.

I shrug it off and eventually we all go home..

Next day I text her asking her when we are having our romantic evening at mine..

She texts me back with some bullshit about how I must have got the wrong idea about her and that it's too fast and she just wants to talk.. Bear in mind I've had my finger in this girl in the bar queue while chatting to my mates.. Fucking ridiculous! This is her I'm not a slut message..

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Woo.. U r too fast and romantic. Would b nice 2 meet up 4 a chat and to knw each other more. If u r in lndn shal v meet in lndn? Mayb s.where near watrlo? Xx

Aside from the fucking poor text speak.. Which annoys me almost as much as it annoys Mega.. This SHIT used to piss me off like you wouldn’t believe.. I used to think HOW the fuck can she go back to this stupid shit after being so into me in the club.. I've since realised that this thought process was pointless and it's just her social programming… She doesn't want to be that way, she never CHOSE her beliefs about how sex is wrong and she's a slut for wanting to fuck.. My new approach is just to understand that I need to help her get over her programming..

I text back saying:

Such a one track mind… :) I was thinking about going to my favourite pub 'the x' for our romantic evening. I'm working near X Monday. xx

She accepts my suggestion and it's back on..

I tell her to meet me at the local station @ 6:30.. Done deal..

I run my usual day 2.. Meet her 5 minutes late, immediately make out with her.. Walk her to the pub while I'm talking on the phone to my boss about a trip I might have to make on wednesday..

We go to the pub and I tell her some info about my background, we chat for about an hour.

As I've just had a small argument with my sister I tell her that I have to go to the supermarket to pick up some stuff for her so I can say sorry.. We leave the pub, get there and I chat with some of her colleagues (we go to her work) for a bit with her as we pay.. Afterwards I just jump on the bus and take her back to mine.. She's holding some bags of shopping for me and gives no resistance at all. I get back into the house and put the food away, my sister says hi to her and they chat for a bit. I tell her that the people below (we're in the top flat) can hear us walking about in shoes because it's so loud when we walk on the wooden floor. She say's she'll take off her shoes.. I realise at this point that it's game over..

My sister leaves - right on que - to go see her boyfriend and I take the girl to my room to 'see the view'.. I'm kissing her neck and ear from behind, spin her round and run my hand up her back to unclasp her bra. She starts shaking like a leaf when I get my hands on her breasts.

She then freaks out and over the next few hours, in between fingering sessions, orgasms and me thrusting my cock into her throat starts telling me her back story..

Turns out she's VERY religious apparently.. Obviously not out of choice but she's so indoctrinated that she doesn't question anymore. She's never shown her body to anyone.. Only kissed one guy.. Never done anything sexual with anyone.. EVER! Now you might say but she let you do all that stuff.. how can she be a virgin. That’s insane!! and I'd agree. It's fucking strange.. The only explanation I have is that unlike most people, I don't listen to what she says.. I focus on what she does and how she acts. Moreover I also focus more on what I want and getting it than anything else..

Now I'm not normally a fan of oral but I gave it to her because I wanted her to feel 'special'.. I also used it to distract her while I got a finger into her ass.. she was loving it.. The problem was that she's so conflicted about sex that she makes me promise not to stick my cock in her.. all the while squeezing my cock harder and harder and trying to jam it in herself.. Eventually I just think fuck it. Get a condom 'to stay safe' and she pumps it in about a half inch, starts screaming, comes then pushes it in more, claims it hurts and pulls it back out.. This repeats for about half an hour until I get bored and decide to end it.. Hardly the best climax ever but she did have a hot mouth.. ;)

Learning points a plenty from this one..

1. Always try to flirt with any girls you'd be prepared to fuck, wherever you are..
2. Don't listen to a fucking word she says, if she's talking to you she's DTF..
3. Religious virgins are very willing sex partners if you can get them over the 'need to wait for marriage' belief..
4. Qualification is a hugely important part of game and being too lazy to do it means that you end up with these kinds of girls..

It's scary what you can get away with if you just lead everything..

Thing is it's not the kind of girl that I actually like.. I've decided that I'm going to try to screen out the girls who need me to do this much thinking for them.. If I can fuck them same night or a few days later or something I'll probably do it but I will definitely try and make sure that I speak to all the other girls I'm attracted to first..

They are almost universally living in fear and although they always love me for doing it afterwards it's not that satisfying to fuck them.. Especially when they are saying that they really shouldn't be doing it the whole time.. I want the girl to KNOW it's not slutty to have sex.. To be able to be free from society's pressure enough to make HER OWN decisions about what she should do.

ps... I didn't mention this in the report but that girl was 26.. Imagine running around wanting to fuck for close to 10 years without doing anything about it.. She just text me a minute ago saying she wants to come over and get in my bed.. Fucking crazy. 20+ years of 'belief' changed in 4 hours or so.

Pss.. You guys will not read any more virgin stories from me because I'm getting sick of them.. I will be qualifying them all in future to make sure they aren’t virgins..

Girlfriends and neediness

2008-07-13T04:27:00.000-07:00

An elaboration on the 'getting a girlfriend' mindset. It's easy to miss the point. This is not about fucking ugly girls for 'practice'. The advice says fuck girls you have some sexual attraction for and don't worry if you know you do not want to be with her FOREVER!

Secondly.. girls who you have casual sex with are using you for sexual pleasure just as much if not more than you are using them. ITS MUTUAL!

Often guys are under the delusion that getting sex from girls they are not in love with is tantamount to raping them.. Society's constant but subtle social programming has forced this belief on so many men. They are also not relaxed enough about sex to understand that two people acting on mutual sexual attraction the first night they meet and fucking for a few months afterwards is a perfectly acceptable relationship..

Fuck guys. Seriously.

You do not NEED to LOVE a girl in order for both of you to enjoy fucking each other.. All you need is mutual sexual attraction. Please stop living in a Disneyesce FANTASY WORLD.. Wake up guys. Girls like sex! Having a casual sexual relationship (which is what I'm recommending) is fine with most women.

You do NOT NEED to actually LOVE her (or say that you do) in order to both enjoy having sex.. Again this is such a common delusion it's not even funny.

Getting casual relationships is easy once girls are prepared to fuck you. Most guys NEED to learn that HONESTY - i.e. I don't want anything serious right now - is perfectly acceptable to women. THEY LIKE IT.! It not only has the benefit of GETTING YOU WHAT YOU WANT.. it also makes you come across as non needy.

If I had to pick the biggest reason why most guys - ESPECIALLY the ones who believe in 'waiting for the one' - don't ever get anywhere it would be because they are so FUCKING NEEDY.. This neediness is a natural consequence of their mindset.

Imagine a situation where you have not had sex in 3 years, you have been going out doing day game and clubbing 3 times a week for all that time. You constantly dismiss women because you 'didn't feel it' - basically saying that you didn't start falling in love with them the same night. You finally meet a girl who is really hot, nice, into you and you start feeling that you could fall in love with this girl. You eventually get into a situation where SHE decides that you should fuck, your not SMOOTH but she likes you because you are so into her. After a few months she starts feeling the following things which you are subconsciously projecting on to her..

1. You are the only girl I've felt this way about
2. You are everything to me and if you left I'd have to wait years to get someone like you again
3. I rely on you to validate how attractive I am
4. Without you I'd fall into a massive depression
5. I need to keep you around in order to be able to have sex

All of these are ABSOLUTELY TRUE if you are waiting for 'the one' and the PRESSURE this puts her under is UNREAL!

All these beliefs obviously put a massive strain on her and your relationship with her. Consequently they also force you to let her get away with much more than you should so she slowly looses respect for you and 'attraction' declines over the next few months. She knows that you are VERY unlikely to dump her. Whatever she does.!

NEEDINESS will kill relationships, attraction and anything else pickup related that you can think of. Having casual relationships will open you up to sexual abundance and this will help correct your mindset. TRUST ME!

The most important lesson is that there are many different kinds of relationship.. Not all relationships need to be SERIOUS!

Up your game by getting a girlfriend!!

2008-07-07T11:32:00.000-07:00

If you are looking to DRAMATICALLY improve your ability to get girls there is one piece of advice which you can implement almost immediately which will up your game in a very short period of time.. This advice is not something which the 'community' will generally tell you, although it does sound obvious when you hear it..

The advice is to get a girlfriend ASAP.

I know your going to say, "Thanks sebastian but thats shit advice for me, I haven't got one till now, how the fuck do you expect me to get one.?"

Answer.. Simple.! Drop your standards until you have one..

Honestly.. You should seriously do this.

I realise that it's totally against the community rethoric telling you that if you are not dating models or super hot chicks you are FUCKING nothing and should crawl into a hole and die like the low value chode that you are.. BUT I promise you that what ever level you think you are, it's massively helpful to have a girl in your life and it's also fun too.

It doesn't matter if some guys on here (who incidentally hardly ever get laid) would tell you that she's a 4.. You will get better game and get more comfortable with girls if you are having regular sex.. It will make you less needy, will give you more confidence, will make you better at sex and will also improve a whole buch of other stuff which you won't even realise until afterwards.

There is a pattern in the community where some guys join who have had literally no success with women for a very very long time.. They then find the community and get told that any guy can have a supermodel hanging off their arm.. all they have to do is get great game..

The problem with this is that there is some evidence that it's true to an extent.. BUT people run off with the idea and you end up in a situation where you have guys with literally no social experience walking up to models and asking them who they think lies more, men or women.. These guys choose to go for the top 10% of women (8's & 9's) and walk around for years trying to get and keep the girls EVERYBODY is chasing.

This is very, very sad... because these guys start thinking that there is no way they are ever going to be able to pull.

Lower your standards until you have a regular girl in your life.. Doing this will have SO many benefits for you!

This advice is especially important if you've never had a girlfriend or regular fuck buddy.. Once you are living in sexual abundance you can get fussy but untill then stop using "She's not hot enough" as an excuse for not persuing relationships with girls who like you..

Guys lets be absolutely clear, this is not about going out with girls you think are fucking unattractive.. the point is to go out and talk to everyone and when you get the feeling that a girl is into you and you could stand to fuck her to actually do it.

Too many people use the 'she isn't hot enough for me' excuse and then when they see a really hot girl can't do anything about it because they are too fucking scared.

Imagine if you waited your whole life for your perfect girl, saving yourself for 'the one' and when you were just about to fuck her... you prematurely ejeculated..

If you want to be the alpha dominant sexual guy, you have to kick off the process by fucking some girls.. You could wait around all day for hot ones to warm to your crap game and then keep fucking it up over and over until you 'get it' but time would be better spent fucking it up with the uglier ones.. Who incidentally will also allow you to get away with a lot more..

The fact is that it will do you nothing but good to fuck some ugly chicks when you are starting out. If you think you deserve better and can't drop your standards then not only are you ruled by EGO you are also making the journey much longer and harder than it needs to be.

Down to fuck (DTF) girls - How to spot and fuck them!

2008-07-06T06:46:00.000-07:00

I've been avoiding posting this for a while, not sure why but it felt like I would be setting a pack of wolves on these poor girls who deep down are often actually quite nice. So with the caveat of make sure you fuck these girls well.. I'd like to make this post (with all your help) into the definitive guide to spotting and fucking DTF girls!

DTF = Down to Fuck.. Essentially it's referring to the girls who are walking around a venue gagging for cock. Talk to these chicks, escelate and you get laid.. It's that simple.

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Years ago I remember reading the 'community' stories about fools mate on MASF.. I actually remember buying into the idea that anyone who had a same night lay with an 'easy' girl was obviously a fool.. and had no game.. obviously..

Now recently there have been a few stories on the forum about different guys interacting with the same girl on the same night (TT is classic for this) and getting the impression that the girl was really into them.. They later find out that their friend x PUA or whatever also got her number / made out / fucked her or whatever. I think that a big skill set the more experienced guys acquire when then get good is the ability to spot DTF girls. As they mostly all have this skill, it's fairly predictable that they will end up approaching the same DTF girls.

When I was on the SNL missions (ahh the nostalgia) it rapidly became clear that some girls were just pure DTF. I decided that the main criteria for efficient SNL game, was the extent to which they were DTF and that spotting / opening them was THE way to get consistency.

Now the DTF girls almost universally had no long term potential BUT they had already done most of the work for me. It was obvious that were very very open to 'a guy' hitting on them and would leave fuck within a few minutes if I made my intentions clear from the start. I think they must have sat about at home before they went out thinking how great it would be to fuck 'a guy' and have someone in their bed. It also became FUCKING obvious that my game was not required to fuck these girls and that any woman could be in the DTF mindset irrespective of how hot she was.

My criteria for spotting these girls was:

1. Deliberately separated from their group, sitting alone or standing somewhere open.
2. Looking around the room obviously
3. Holding eye contact - I took this to mean FUCK ME NOW PLEASE!
4. Not generally giving you proximity but actually bumping into you on purpose as they walk past or pushing you slightly when there was actually no need and they could have walked round you.
5. Slightly tilted head to one side and often staggering or swaying slightly - basically signs of mild drunkenness.

When I opened these girls the interaction was often very different from the norm. They are dismissive at first, then if you persist, fucking friendly, really nice to you, totally rapport seeking, it's awesome.

My favourite interaction with one girl (in TT) who was sitting alone, on the sofas downstairs - all venues have perfect DTF chick areas btw and this is the one for TT - went like this.

Girl: Texting deeply engrossed in phone. Bottle of wine in front of her half finished..
ME: Sit next to her, Hey what's up.
girl: Looks at me then back at phone. blanks me totally.
ME: Moves closer, puts arm round girl. Hey who are we texting..
Girl: Ohh hey, what's your name, where are you from, love your t-shirt...+20 more rapport questions.
ME: Your fucking cute.
Girl: Please fuck me now look.. Thanks.
ME: Lean in to kiss her.
Girl: Makes out far to enthusiastically.
ME: Stops the kissing.. God your really turning me on.
Girl: Smiles.
ME: Lets get out of here.
Girl: Ok.
Me: Come with me to get my coat.
Girl: Follows and eventually takes me back to her place where we fuck.

Read the full lr here : http://www.thelss.com/forum/index.php?topic=11399.0

No qualification, no teasing, nothing, just pure dominance and leading, meet to leave the venue less than 10 minutes.

Now the thing is, with a DTF chick you MUST do all this fast. Fucking fast!

If you get a properly DTF chick and you waste time or deescalate the interaction in any way she will fuck off.... Immediately! She'll just get up and leave.! The key seems to be SEXUAL INTENT. Drop the intent and you loose her, BAM!

Now one of the problems with what I'm outlining here is that it requires almost complete departure from what you have often spent a lot of time learning to do.. Try and mix this with 'game' and you will fuck it up. I guarantee.

DTF girls do not follow any of the normal rules.. They are Down To Fuck! Simple as.. No friends or amount of logistical problems will get in the way.. They want it and don't give a shit about anything other than getting it.. They will deal with logistics for you, all you have to do is escalate, fast! All the usual objections vaporise when a girl is DTF.. They don't care about social conditioning they even tell their friends to fuck off and leave them alone, they only care about getting your cock in them, ASAP! If you get any objections, either she is not DTF or you are lacking DOMINANCE and SEXUAL INTENT.

Now I can imagine some of the responses..

Awesome this is it man, the magic formula, this is what I need to do, only approach DTF girls!! If I don't get laid she is not DTF. Perfect!

No, No, NO! Do not be this guy. Approach girls you find hot JUST always be mindful of the extent to which they are DTF and if you feel they are ACT!

Great, this is awesome, I'll just approach all girls sitting on their own because they are DTF.!!

I really hope nobody gets obsessed with only talking to DTF girls.. You may not even know until you start speaking to her whether she is DTF.. Where they are sitting means fuck all BUT a girl sitting on her own with a half empty bottle of wine deeply engrossed in texting (I'd guess trying to arrange a booty call) is a better bet for DTF than a girl dancing about in a big group with her mates.

Isn't this just girls being drunk? I don't like drunk girls..

It's easy to dismiss the DTF state as 'girls being drunk' but that's a mistake.. Drunkenness is not something which is needed for a girl to be DTF, mostly the DTF chicks I've met were slightly tipsy, just enough to allow themselves some level of plausible deniability.. All were coherent enough to arrange logistics, hold some level of decent conversation, etc.. Approach enough girls who act like the description and you quickly realise there is a MAJOR difference between these girls and DRUNK chicks. I've seen girls who don't drink being DTF, it's a state of mind!

Won't her friends stop her from leaving? Should I try and talk to her mates to get them on side?.

This is 'game' thinking.. DTF girls have different rules.. The girl in the example above plainly ditched her friends, didn't text them or anything to let them know what she was doing, she just said ok lets go.. I only found out she had friends with her when we saw one of her mates who was totally drunk on the bus on the way back to her place.. When we saw her mate she said hi, we had an awkward conversation with her for 10 minutes which mostly consisted of my girl holding her up and asking if she was ok.. We walked with her back to just before her house but when it came to it the girl just said 'See you tomorrow' and led me to her house.. She didn't give a toss about her mate, who was staggering about.. The point is that she just wanted to get fucked and that was the most important thing to her that night.. Nothing else mattered..! On some occasions you may need to deal with the friends but let her bring it up, don't assume you have to.

Do I still need to attract / qualify them, I'm not sure they will still go home with me if I just start being dominant and sexual?

Anyone who feels this will not be able to pull DTF girls. Do not attempt this until you have worked on your inner game..

Summary:

If you are out to score consistent same night lays then this is the best and easiest way to make sure you do! Want to GUARANTEE you get laid on a regular basis.. Develop the skill of finding these girls. Why waste time battling through objections and LMR when there is a girl who is gagging for cock and equally as hot.

In any venue it should be, scout for hot DTF girls first and then if they don't seem attractive to you, the other girls after.. Provided you can spot DTF girls, be dominant and escalate this is 100% the easiest way to pull in clubs/bars.

Learning scripts to speak to women is FUCKING STUPID.!

2008-07-05T06:54:00.000-07:00

This is not a routines vs natural game post.. This is an explanation about why natural game i.e. being yourself, is going to help you develop both your core personality and your game at a much faster rate than learning scripts or 'routines' to pull girls....

Yes it can be more painful to roll up and just vibe BUT doing that will teach you sooo much more than having someone respond well to your 'i'm a cool and interesting guy' routine.

I've come full circle with all this PU stuff, I've seen the speed seduction stuff work - I could probably still demo it - I've also seen mystery type routines work - once upon a time I fucked girls by doing levitation tricks, negging etc. I would never be one to say that 'routine based game' does not work.. I've made it work consistently in the past. The problem is, you cannot learn a routine based style which you can run FOREVER.. If you meet a girl who you actually like - and after all that IS the point! - you may find she is not actually that into you when you start just being normal.

Learning to pull girls using your personality is a way to make sure that WHO YOU ARE is what attracted her and as a result means that if she's into you, it's not something which will stop when you relax and act normal..

Having sick natural game means that you are fundamentally a cool and attractive person.. This is nice because you can just relax when you get girls without feeling you constantly have to 'perform'.

Also the routine based game head space is FUCKED. Totally FUCKED. Thinking you have to memorise cool things to make people like you is so personally damaging I honestly cannot believe I was ever retarded enough to believe it was a good thing to do. When I think about it now I can't believe I was that FUCKING STUPID!

All the beliefs you operate from when you run 'routine based game' are not conducive to feeling good and having great relationships with women.

1. I am not enough as I am.
2. Girls I want have more value than me.
3. I have to constantly prove I am cool and interesting to obtain sex/love.

I'm sure there are many more...

It's not so much that routines will never exist for you if your more natural.. it's just that you realise it's your internal energy which gets you the girl not whatever happens to come out of your mouth.. This is like a paradox because with the relaxation, all the best lines, routines and comebacks which you've ever heard just flow through your head at the exact right moment.

Natural wins out not just in terms of lays, he also feels a lot better about himself and the girls as a result stick around a lot longer..

If you asked any of the people who posted passionate contradictions to this thread why they did it.. The answer would boil down to the fact that they felt it challenged their reality in some way.. Their concept of what 'routines' are is so heavily ingrained into their self worth that it has literally become a part of them.

Insecure at their core, feeling that they must defend their identity they come here looking to put forward the necessity of their way. They claim that without pre scripted, calculated responses some guys would not be able to function.. let alone bed any women.

As was pointed out earlier this is a classic belief system borne out of inexperience and motivated almost universally by FEAR! This is the mindset which unrealistically tells you that irrespective of what you look like and have going on in your life you can get very attractive women to be highly responsive to you. It is also the mindset which tells you that you can run a perfect set and that by learning scripted conversations you can guarantee to avoid a whole bunch of negative emotions.

The irony of the whole thing is that by following a pattern of behaviour designed to bring you away from all these negative things, you not only actively bring them into your life, you also cut yourself off from good emotions and generate a serious amount of discontent within yourself.

The presupposition which you HAVE to have accepted before you even think about memorising a routine is:

I am not enough as I am to bed women I like.

If you didn't believe this you would not feel the need to learn routines. You’d just think fuck it, I can get them anyway. Why bother.

Believing that you are not enough on a core level and acting it out in every interaction which you have with women, fucks you up and at the very least will be quite depressing.

Speaking amongst friends, I'd definitely try and persuade you not to go there.

I want to reiterate the message which started this....

Go out, whatever you think will happen, go and talk to the women you are attracted to..

Be honest with them about how you feel..

Do this over and over again, keep repeating the process and eventually you will be smooth and will see real results.

I realise it sounds so simple that the routine guys find it hard to comprehend it could work..

Ask anyone who supports routine based game and they will agree that the ONE thing that makes the 'routine guys' ever able to pull is the volume of interactions the 'routines' gave them permission to have. They will accept that what they were saying was by and large IRRELEVANT..

Results came from constantly interacting with lots of people.! This caused their mind to fix their poor, needy, socialy akward subcomminications automatically using the feedback from people they spoke to. The human mind is truly amazing at this kind of thing..

If you have the same volume of interactions without 'routines' the main difference is that not only will you be fixing the sub communications, you will be working on your personality at the same time.. It's like getting twice the payback for half the work.. It also has the side benefit that you don't need to memorise things or ever have to worry about what to say.. Ever!

Opening random strangers is your only chance to get real world, unadulterated feedback on WHO YOU ARE.. I promise you that when you come to the end of the pain period it will actually be YOUR CORE PERSONALITY which has become smooth!

You don't really start working on your core untill you put WHO YOU ARE on the line.. and in getting over it you will also rightly feel that YOU have accomplished a lot.!

The Madonna / Whore complex

2008-07-05T06:51:00.000-07:00

What is this?? It's a general issue which most men have and it's based on a huge misunderstanding about women.

Scenario:

I walk up to a girl, she's cute, definitely girlfriend material on looks, I spend 20 minutes with her and she ends up fucking me in the back room of the club.

We later hang out and I find she is interesting, smart and very cute but I can't shake the idea that she's a FILTHY WHORE and decide she must be EASY to have done what she did.. I don't believe that she made a quick decision on the basis of how much she liked me to do what she did and decide that she must be like that with everybody.. FILTHY SLUT. I resolve to only like women who make me wait in future and dump her.

This is classic MAN mentality and it's a real posion in society right now..

So what is the madonna whore complex. Urban dictionary has a nice summary..

It's the seemingly conflicting desires that some (but certainly not all) men have for a woman who is experienced in the bedroom and unashamed of showing sexual prowess ("whore"), but at the same time a woman who is wholesome, clean and nuturing ("madonna"), particularly enough to not be branded a "slut".

This concept is due to having a large population of sexually frustrated people (both men AND women) who were raised to believe that sexual activity or just being sexy is a dirty and shameful act, and a society where both men and women have been led to believe that women have to either be complete prudes or totally promiscuous.

Don't let this be you.. See sex for what it is, two people having fun and your results will get better as women realise that you will not brand them FILTHY WHORES for fucking you too fast. If you honestly asked any woman about her sexual history and you believe DTF girls are sluts, they would almost all be sluts to you..

Girls with boyfriends.. screening, blowouts and logistical nightmares...

2008-07-05T06:50:00.001-07:00

It’s been soo long since I wrote a report of a night out where I didn't actually get laid so I thought I’d do this one.. It’s an interesting turn of events for me, I thought I had a legitimate pull going, I’d qualified her and she’d passed .. She was into me, seeking crazy amounts of rapport, almost total compliance.. but ultimately bad logistics and her integrity killed the PU.. Sometimes a sequence of events goes from bad to worse and it’s just something you have to accept..!

Day game:

Had a lot of fun running around London with deeboy and had a few interesting interactions, not too much quality generally and although we did video a very funny set, there’s nothing here really worth writing up from my side..

Night game..

Went to this Brazilian nightclub near where we got food. It had a big que and so we thought it should be ok.. I started talking to this girl who was standing in front of us and we all had a fairly fun conversation for the 10 minutes or so it takes to get into the venue.. I find out that she lives 5 minutes from my house and ask if she can give me a lift home later, she agrees and so we swap numbers..

We stand around talking for a bit and then I go out to meet some girls. Approach two girls at the bar very direct.. both totally blow.. This was horrible, I felt so terrible.. My identity was crushed and I noticed that every other girl in the place saw.. Reality being that one just ignored me totally and the other one was polite for a few minutes and then walked with her drinks back to a group of guys... We went to dance for a bit and enjoy the vibe of the venue.. Realise it’s a bit loud and then go and find the quiet area in the club..

On the way I spot a hot Brazilian chick.. I point her out blatantly to deeboy, she notices, I smile and then open with ‘hey your cute so I thought I should meet you..’ I ask her if she has a boyfriend, she can’t really hear me (the club is so fucking loud) so I gesture to the guys with her and shout BOYFRIEND at her.. She says shakes no so I drag her into the quiet corner near the sofas so we can actually hear each other. One of the first things she asks me was how many girls I’d spoken to that night.. I told her 3 – including her – she seemed pleased although I have no clue why, she later tells me she was testing me to see if I was honest.. Girls!

We talk about where she’s from, she asks me lots of rapport questions, turns out she’s with the drummer of the band playing.. We chat a bit more then I say I want to go dance and drag her to the dance floor.. I escalate with her till we are dancing cheek to cheek squeeze her ass and she starts objecting that in brazil you can’t just grab girls asses.. I grab it again then stick my tongue out at her.. She starts getting the glazed over ‘I need to fuck this guy’ look I love so much..

I’m groping her a lot, she says we should get married and we joke about that for a while.. I remember thinking how funny it was that she was running a ‘routine’ on me... After the thread on here about how they are FUCKING STUPID I realised that it’s ok if a hot girl does it.. After a lot more grinding and groping on the dance floor she snaps and decides we need to ‘get some air’..

We go outside and I tell her to get her coat, we are going to get some food. I start walking with her to the bus stop to go back to mine but as we are about to leave I realise that I’m being a cunt leaving deeboy – I’d just got so caught in the moment that I’d been enjoying the girl too much – bro’s before hoes always so I text him.. It’s been about 30-40 minutes since I met the chick. I text him and ask him what he’s doing..

I agree to walk her to her bus and on the way I’m grabbing her a lot and telling her that she’s so cute, kissing her lightly on her face and neck as we walk etc. She's loving it for ages but eventually says we have to stop and she needs to explain something, she says that she’s seeing a guy and that she would feel really bad about cheating and wouldn’t do it. She says she needs to get to know me and starts talking about how lots of guys want to fuck her but she thinks I’m different. She really makes the point that she likes me a lot and that ‘we have chemistry’. I understand this to mean, I really want to fuck you, you gamed me really well but I need time to get out of my shitty relationship so I can feel good about fucking you. She’s really emphasising the point that she just can’t cheat. We swap numbers and after a speech from me about how I don’t want a relationship right now she goes off on her way.

In a way I actually respect this girl for having integrity.. but it is a bit annoying.. I don’t believe in boyfriend destroying which is why I ask girls from the off if they are single.. In future I’ll have to make sure they can always hear me properly..

I go back towards the club to rejoin deeboy but get lost on the way. I eventually call him and he’s already left to go meet his FB.. I text the girl from the queue for my lift and she txts back she’s already left too. FUCK!

I take the bus to waterloo and just catch the last train back home with two minutes to spare.. Not wanting to be defeated and being horny as hell from not fucking for 3 days I decide to scout the train for DTF girls.. I can’t find any but see one cute girl who might be worth it.. It’s a mixed 5 set but figure I’m horny and the 20 minute ride home is boring so decide to go for the SNL.. I realise about 10 minutes in that this was a fucking stupid mistake. I really should have walked further down the carriage to find a girl sitting alone! Learning lesson - never do a large mixed set on a 20 minute train journey, it is very unlikely to become a SNL.

I get in the set and they are debating where they can get a cork screw to open a bottle of wine they just bought.. I roll in, sit next to them and say give it to me, I’ll open it. I push the cork inside the bottle after about 5 minutes banter with the group. The only girl worth a fuck in the set is loving me, especially after I give her mates a facial with the wine by ‘mistake’.. I find out she is moving out of my town and moving to Brixton. From what I can see there is no way to get the girl away from her mates and although she’s into me, I can’t figure out a way to smoothly take her out of her seat, off the train and back to my place... FUCK! I give her my number when it’s my stop and jump off the train pissed that I didn’t walk the whole length of the train before getting into that set.

The most annoying part of the night was getting lost on the way back to the club.. This compounded the fact that I didn’t get to open a stupidly hot waitress who was DTF as fuck and kept bumping into me when she went past - blatantly on purpose - then looking back to see if I’d noticed. Guess you can’t win them all..

Defeating social programming & the I want to wait till I’m married objection!

2008-07-05T06:47:00.000-07:00

I’m sharing it here because I want to emphasise a point. What girls say has nothing to do with what they want.. Absolutely fuck all.. Do not listen to what they say but go by how they respond to your actions.. Also escalate like a mother fucker, always.. Get her to come to expect this from you and it will never be awkward, even if she continually rejects you, it will be like a fun game which she will stack in your favour so you always win..!

Anyway I originally thought this was going to be a SNL on saturday but I had to wait till last night to close this girl.

Key points:

Do not listen to verbal objections
Focus on being fun and chill
Lead, lead, lead

Went out with Deeboy to TT last Saturday when an orgy which we were supposed to be going to got cancelled at the last minute.. Just hate it when that happens..!

We met up with a bunch of guys in the Scandinavian party, soul, beballer, sheriff and a few others chatted for a bit then went about starting to terrorise the venue.. We did some good work, including qualifying a shooter girl so hard that she was promising she was an amazing fuck, could deepthroat the biggest cock, etc, was funny to be having that conversation within about 5 minutes with her albeit slightly surreal.. She was loving it tho.

Lost a bit of state when after opening a group of about 8 girls and having quite a lot of fun I realised that I’d been chewing on a piece of broken glass which the staff had dropped in my drink with the ice by mistake. This FUCKED me up for a while as I couldn’t be 100% sure I didn’t swallow any. This is definitely something which I’m going to be watching out for in the future when I’m at TT!

Anyway so sometime about 12 ish we see these two small tanned girls and go over, deeboy opens one and I’m left standing in the following position.

Bar ----------------------------------------
Chodes x x x x x x x

Girl2 x
Girl 1. x
Deeboy x
Me. x

I think one of the things which guys forget is the importance of physical positioning when it comes to PU, if you are standing in a bad place in a group, you need to rearrange people so that it’s better and more comfortable for you. This has a side benefit of also making you seem very dominant and cool.. I could do a whole talk on this one aspect of game but that night I saw so many guys (some of which were lss) standing talking to girls but letting the woman control the positioning. Next time your out ask yourself am I as comfortable as I could be, and make sure you take action to change it if the answers no.

Anyway, so I call her over, she comes and I get her laughing as we joke around. We chat for a few minutes I realise that deeboy is going to want to isolate his girl into the corner and try to fuck her (he’s such a charmer ) so drag the other one onto the dance floor. She complies.. I dance with her and go for the makout after about 3 minutes or so.. The whole time I’m getting mad fuck me now please looks from this hot blonde chick who is grinding with some chode.. Nice. This is where I start getting resistance from the girl.. she’s obviously into it and wants to but I guess that she has major social conditioning against sex, ONS’ and hooking up with random guys. She later tells me she’s not like English girls. Hmmm.. I wash rinse and repeat kissing her neck etc and she starts tentatively kissing me back.. I notice a pattern, I grope her brests she objects, putting my hands back to her hips, I do it again she objects slightly less, and so on, and so on.. I remember thinking great, this is her pattern, all I have to do is persist. Awesome!

So after a bit I get bored isolate her and tell her she’s got a fucking great body and I want her to come back to mine.. She says she can’t, she’s not like that.. I say cool.. So when are we going... As I start rubbing her pussy through her jeans she decides it’s time to find her mate and walks off.. I follow.

We find deeboy and his girl by the bar chatting more, I agree with deeboy we should extract and he’s already planted going for food as a suggestion.. We all go.. Over food my chick is constantly putting my hand on her pussy. What was funny was that it’s like she doesn’t think about what she’s doing, puts my hand there, realises what she’s done, freaks out, moves it, then eventually calms down and moves it back.. Was amusing to watch. Like she was breaking down her own LMR.

Anyway, we eat some food, deeboy flirts with the hot waitress (who was so obviously into him) and then his girl starts getting all protective, man jealousy is powerful.. We get up to leave and deeboy quickly closes the waitress..

My girl and I come back to my place on the buss, I grope her the whole time and she’s progressively becoming less and less resistant.. I know I can do pretty much anything I want with this girl.. She says she has to go home and I say ok but take her back to mine anyway. We get to my house and she puts up token resistance, she’s saying some bullshit about how she has to go and lock her door as she left it open, lost her key etc.. I just walk in the house and motion her to follow, we get up to my room and I tell her that she’s hot but she has to take off some clothes.. She starts telling me that she’s waiting for the one and husband, marriage etc. She cant fuck me.. Blah, blah, blah.. I get my hands on her breasts and start fingering her.. She’s liking it.

Eventually she says she has to go and we walk to the bus stop, I tell her to come back tomorrow so I can fuck her and she explains that she can’t fuck me.. she needs to wait.. I asked her how long she had to wait and that I was absolutely fine waiting.. I told her that she should take as long as she needed.. I told her that if she needed to wait a few months, that was fine. She should just call me after and we can meet up. She agreed to come over the next day.

Skip from Saturday to Tuesday (I was fucking someone else on Sunday so couldn’t be bothered to see her then )

She comes over late, about 9:30. I get her on my bed, 20 minutes later she’s naked and she proceeds to give me some great blowjobs. I had her trying to force my cock inside her and after seeing her start freaking out after getting just a bit in, sitting grinding it again and getting just the head in, I thought, do I really actually like this girl enough to take her virginity.. I just told her to save it for her husband.. Blatantly will be some chode but WTF.. I’m being nice. Afterwards she starts saying how weird it is that she doessn't even know me but is in my bed naked, so many other guys have tried etc.. It makes me sad that this girl is probably never going to actually meet someone who will be able to fuck her well..

I also just noticed this morning that she’s left her watch and some other stuff here (I’m sure on purpose so I have to see her again..) so I may suggest anal next time.. She didn’t seem to like the suggestion last night as she seemed to think I was too big and it would hurt.. Ahh well.. Wash, rinse and repeat..

Chat to a girl for 20 minutes at a work function, get her number and fuck her six months later

2008-07-05T06:44:00.000-07:00

This one was interesting.. my first experience with long game… Learning points a plenty and clarification about one major jump in my core understanding of PU and girls in general... Love it.

It’s terrible how the more smooth my game gets the harder it is to articulate exactly what got me the pull. It’s so much harder to explain be cool and vibe than it is to explain ‘do magic tricks for half an hour’. In this case I think presupposing that we’d fuck was the most important part and the rest was just being cool and having a good time.

Summary:

Send a grouptext every few months out to all the girls you met
Fuck the ones that reply..

Background:

Met a girl about 6 months ago with Dr Y, she was cool but had a boyfriend.. Now normally I’d just stop but she’s the only hot chick there and I’m with Yen so obviously we try to pull her home straight away for a SNL spitroast.. hhaha. After about an hour or so hanging out with her she decides that she has work next day and won’t come back with us.. As we are number closing her I decide that she should be called Veronica and save her in my phone as that. To this day I am still not sure what her real name is!! Thankfully she seems to have taken well to her new name and now even refers to herself as V (my shortened abbreviation). Now that’s frame control.

Months pass and she texts me a few times, Yen and I called her once about 3 months later and make her make blowjob noises down the phone.. Yen criticizes her for her poor phone sex script and I joke around with her for a bit.. Somewhere in the conversation she lets it slip that she dumped the chode millionaire boyfriend..

More months pass..

Deeboy’s party comes up and with the infamous bring many hot girls policy I decide I actually have to contact some of the girls I met over the last few months. I send a group txt out and she’s one of the ones who replied. On a side note although some others weren’t all as keen to go to the party, a few I thought were totally dead actually invited me out another time which proves there is a benefit of texting numbers ages after you first meet a girl. Group txt is totally the way forward..” Hey sexy.. fancy coming to a party on Saturday” might also get me laid Wednesday and Thursday.. Awesome.!

She says she’d really like to come and asks me what she should wear. I take this to mean she is 100% DTF..

The day of the party I meet up with SteveJabba and we pick up a few things. I call Dr Yen, we meet up with him, Skeletor and a few other guys to chat and game some girls in central.. One mememorable set, this 6 set of Americans was quite amusing, I was winging yen, who was interested in this cute blonde.. I open and distract the group for about 15 minutes or so while yen dragged their mate off to attempt to fuck her.. Funny shit. It was cool to do but a real shame there was no other fuck worthy chick in the group…

We decide to go into TT on the way to get some extra girls.. I run a few sets one of which involves making a bet with a Russian that Greece will win the football, which I lost obviously (she now has to collect) and another with this two set (5 minutes maybe less) who eventually turn up to the party.

V was running late so I walk to the party venue to show the way and then head back to meet her.. She arrives and we are vibing, it’s so on, she’s looking nice and I’m horny so it seems we are on to a winner..

We get to the party and I’ve been holding hands with her and joking around / teasing for about 20 minutes.. We walk out onto Sven’s balcony which is beautiful, I pull her in to hug me and keep me warm, lean in slowly and just kiss her as she’s talking about something.

We start arranging the journey home and she gives me the only test.. She is talking about getting a train back to hers and leaving early, I say let’s go book a cab back to yours later – I seem to use this line a lot. We go online and discuss who’s paying etc, what time should we go.. Nowhere is ‘is it ok to go back to yours, what will happen when we do, etc’ ever discussed.. It’s obvious I’m going to fuck her silly and that she will love it, she knows that’s what’s happening! It’s just going along so smoothly that she would have to kill the vibe (and her enjoyment) if she stopped any of it from happening. By the time she realizes what it all means she’s backwards rationalizing that it’s exactly what she wanted the whole time anyway.!

When we get back to hers I fuck her for a few hours, squirting her etc and it turns out that she’s bi but has never quite managed to find someone who could set it up.. I seem to be collecting bi girls lately so I think this one could be fun..

Re the original plan – Roast at Dr Yen’s.. I’m taking her to complete that on Sunday.. We'll post the vid's for you guys so stay tuned... Might try and video the leadup to it given that the lead up might actually be more usefull than watching me and yen fuck.. lol

The main lesson.

If you want something to happen pre-suppose it’s ok. If you want a girl to come home with you, start asking her what time she wants to leave, when should you book a cab etc. If you want her to suck you off, ask her to bend down and help you unbutton your jeans. She will know what’s going on but is much less likely to object as you haven’t asked her to do it directly. Its funny how a ‘help me get these jeans down’ just seems so much less bad for her to do than ‘get on your knees and suck me off’. Both achieve the same result, but one is SMOOTH and one may provoke a reaction.

Basic points of this lay were.

1. Presuppositions! These are a cornerstone of SMOOTH game
2. Being very direct albeit non verbally - another cornerstone of SMOOTH game
3. Playing the ‘dominant fun loving sexual guy role’ - makes sure you actually enjoy the night as well as the fuck

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2008-07-05T06:42:00.000-07:00

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Deepthroat training materials

2008-07-05T06:40:00.000-07:00

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Getting dragged by two victoria seecret models to stringfellows

2008-07-05T06:39:00.001-07:00

After a really bad start last night turned out awesome.. Dee and I walked into a bar and within seconds we open two Victoria secret models. We end up being dragged to stringfellows, they spend £1000 on girls and champagne for us all, eat each others faces and the strippers for a while, get naked and nearly get us all chucked out. Both deeboy and I were having heavy makeout / groping sessions with the girls and we all left the venue after they number closed some of the strippers we met for an orgy later this week.

Fucking bisexuals.

Summary:

Going direct.
Qualifying straight away.
Being dominant and sexual.
Escalating.
Being extremely honest.

Sometimes the chicks you end up with at the end of the night are just fucking amazing. This was one of those nights.. Started slow and basically just jumped stratospheric with one set, opened very direct, qualified hard and BAM! These truly are the nights we all live for.

Networking event.

Started really slow at some networking event in the city where I met up with Deeboy and flossyjohnson. Every time we meet up with this dude he ends up leaving early and we have a fucking mind blowing experience. Dude, I hate to say it but last night was no different.. Fucking mind blowing. Guess the moral is to never leave early...biach.!

I’m chatting to girls and they are mostly just really dull. I end up finding one girl who reminds me exactly of one of the first really hot chicks I ever fucked.. This girl was really great at button pushing me and I started getting the feeling that she wasn’t genuine after about an hour with her. You know the type of girl who is really smart and just seems so passionate about everything that she talks about with you and has a knack of making you feel that she is focusing 100% of her energy on you, is totally into you, right until she starts talking to someone else.. She will keep future forecasting things that your going to do together, trying to make you really vest something in her then periodically take away just to try and get you to chase for her attention.. She’s running fairly good game on me and in the past I would have probably chased for her attention back.. Thing is now I flat out refuse to do it. Whereas before I’d have just stayed there and let her control and push me into a fucked up slightly damaging relationship, this time I just got up mid sentence and told her I was leaving.. The look was priceless. I thought we were having a great conversation, why are you leaving, etc. My inner chode dies a slow death every day..

Left the venue with Deeboy.. We walk out and immediately get opened by two promoters, one of which is an 8. The conversation was quite funny and set the tone for the next set.

Promoters: Are you going to come into our club.
Seb: Probably not - keep walking away.

Promoters: Chasing us down and both asking lots of questions rapid fire one in each ear..
Seb: Look guys one at a time I can’t understand you both.

Promoter 1: How was your night.?
Seb: Shit.

Promoter 1: Why?
Promoter 2: Are you coming into this club?
Seb: Only if you are going to fuck me. – said totally deadpan, obviously being serious and still walking with them.

Promoter2 (the Hottest one): Well you are kinda cute. Come in for an hour and well have a drink.
Seb: Is it a strip club.

Promoter 1: No it’s a gentlemen’s club.
Promoter 2: We have strippers if you want.

Seb: Look I’m only coming in if were going to fuck after.

Promoter 2: Hmm, well I have to work come in and have a drink and we’ll join you later.
Seb: Nah, I’m not waiting for you. Lets swap numbers.

Promoters: Look come into our club and we’ll have some fun.

Deeboy: Are you guys bi sexual.?
Promoters: No.

Seb/Dee: Ok. Fuck it. Cya..

Fairly bullshit conversation really, included here to give a feel for the kind of mood I was in post the networking event. Basically horny, not really wanting to fuck about with game or any bullshit. I was basically fucking grumpy and I just felt like being really fucking honest. This was what I did all night.

Qualification is fucking key to everything we do these days.. It’s all about deciding what you want to bring into your life and actually living up to it.

Deeboy’s input:

Been discussing the issue of qualifying, does it have to come after attraction, can it be part of attraction, can it actually be an attraction builder. Some might say, properly screening, not some playful qualifier, should actually build attraction.

I think you can’t qualify her, without her already being emotionally invested, be it for whatever reason, money looks or good attraction game. For someone to qualify themselves to you, that is kinda of a compliance test, she will only comply if she is attracted. You cannot expect to walk up to a girl and hardcore qualify her without her being somewhat invested, since why would she qualify herself, why would she invest, why care for a total stranger.

People often still get the qualifiers wrong, and Sebastian framed it well “Imagine a hot girl coming up to you and saying, tell me 10 reasons why I would wanna fuck you” your reflex response would and should be “Fuck You”. Why should I lower myself to do that”. The same way, many guys qualify in a way that makes the girl feel degraded, and then you get responses like “I’m not gonna sell myself to you” or something along those lines, since, it’s simply rude and qualifiers are much more subtle and not so in your face, even when it’s hardcore.

In any event you start off with soft qualifiers, like:

You know I was hanging out in the club last week and this girl was like so drunk, I really found it unattractive, you know a little tipsy is fine, but to get to a situation where they have to literally carry the girl out, that is simply not a great look. You ever get drunk?

OK, she is obviously gonna step right onto the yes ladder and agree with you, that girls don’t look hot drunk. She would obviously never do that..

Now, you can go on further by saying, you know, sometimes you meet girls at a bar and they are so lively and fun, but then you meet them on a normal day or speak to them on a Sunday and they sound like different people all together, it’s weird, it’s like that whole lively fun loving person was all purely alcohol induced, but other than that they lead quite a boring existence. I really like ppl to be fun around when they are sober too, are you always this fun?

You can lace the conversation in a way to qualify her on anything that is really important to you. Okay, so we are totally into bi girls and that means a girl who is not into other girls at all, we will not waste our time on, period. We’d throw it out there in the air in a fun gentle way and see if they bite, opps, we got a hit, let’s work em. Ohh, we got a cold shoulder, bye bye...but these things are important to be things that are really important to you. If it ain’t a deal breaker to you, it ain’t a real qualifier, end of.

Sebastian:

My Addition to this.. Qualification is basically a key part for me. It allows me to screen people who would waste my time and I look at it a lot like I look at escalation.

When I see people talk about how they are using ‘qualifiers’ like do you have a big screen TV, it actually fucking upsets me. These are just bullshit. Why would you actually say that to anyone. Honestly. If you are using canned material to fill a gap, ask yourself why are you not filling it with something that actually matters to you. What is it exactly that you are afraid of expressing. Telling women what matters to you is massively attractive, it also gives the women a way to please you and subsequently something you can reward her for. If you’re using it as conversation filler then you’re really missing the whole point. So much of PU is about eliciting what you want! If you don’t know what you want, why would girls want you. Tell girls what you want honestly and they will usually try to live up to it, bullshit them with something about how you need a girl to be able to cook banoffee pie or something and they will know you don’t really have standards. High value guys know what they want and screen for it aggressively, albeit in a very subtle way. This gentleman is the hallmark of a social, high value guy and ultimately is what it means to be fuckworthy. If a girl knows what she has to do to get you she will start doing it if she wants you, this is how you get the chasing vibe. If Dee hadn’t asked these models about 1 minute into the interaction if they were Bisexual we wouldn’t have had them wanting to get pussy in their faces to impress us.

What you have to ask yourself when you think about qualifying is what your priorities are. If you honestly value a women who can cook a fucking omelette over one who is up for deep throating you and then eating out her friend while you fuck her.. That’s what you should be asking her about.

The Models..

Walked to this bar in covent garden opposite stringfellows. We’d been talking about qualifying a lot on the way (I wish I could just record all the conversations I’ve had with people about this in the last month, would be a lot easier than trying to come up with a coherent, easy to understand post about it). As usual we decided we needed to qualify all the girls we met hard! My personal one is bisexuality and openness to experiencing new things sexually. We walked into the bar and I immediately clock this stunning readhead, still walking in, I say to Dee that I’m opening and walk straight up. She was with this tall blond chick but I just ignored the other one.

Seb: Hey are you a natural readhead.

HB: Yeah, of course. (southern American accent)

Seb: Awesome, I’ve been wanting to get with a hot readhead since new years.. It’s one of my resolutions. (Totally true btw)

HB: Cool.

We chat for a bit about where she’s from and at some point Deeboy is getting massively sexual with his chick. Out come the bisexual qualifiers! The girls are massively into it. I end up having a conversation about what kind of girls mine likes.. Nice.

Don’t think I actually used any ‘game’ from that point, we just chilled. My PU attempts are actually as minimalist as possible these days. Low energy PU, the way forward IMO. Just be normal and chill and express everything you feel.

Two things which helped the set.

1. Introducing a chode to the HB.
2. Telling her that I only wanted to stay if we were going to hook up.

Introducing the chode.

This sounds like a stupid move but if you can introduce her to a guy, have him try and game her then get him to defer her back to you it’s $$$.

An older guy (30+) came next to her – we were at the bar – to order a drink and perv at her fucking hot body. She noticed him and kinda bumped him purposely, telling me he was being rude and pushing her.

I told her he probably wasn’t rude and that she shouldn’t judge. Then I leaned over tapped him on the shoulder and introduced him to her, telling her that she had to be nice. He tried to game her, got some way, she even gave a few IOI’s but she kept coming back leaning into me and touching me subtly, almost for security or something. It started looking on her part like she was my girlfriend, he seemed to pick up on the vibe and started talking to me and not her. He got served, told me to have a good night then left with his drinks and didn’t come back. After he left she became blatantly more into me. I’m not saying that introducing a chode to the girl is always going to be a good idea, it could fuck the whole thing, but it worked amazingly well this time.

I have to state that I did nothing this whole time but be polite and act normal. No AMOGING.

It came up that they were bisexual and had fucked each other a few times. I explained to her about my ideal relationship ‘independent circles’ i.e. a committed relationship with me and two or three bi girls. Someone (I think deeboy) suggested a strip club and stringfellows being opposite the venue was the obvious choice. I told my girl that I had no way of getting home and wasn’t sure if I should stay. She asked me why I couldn’t stay so I told her.

Seb: Well it’s definitely worth staying if I’m going to hook up with you
HB: So if you don’t hook up with me you won’t stay (looking shocked but pleased)

Seb: Looking at her smiling, Yeah, I have work tomorrow.

HB: Look you have to stay out with us, we’ll make sure you have a good time, I want to get a pussy in my face, you’ll like that right?

She then leans in to kiss me. Think you guys get where this is going… She explains that she’s not into public displays of affection, all the while hugging and kinoing me like crazy, she explains that she’s not easy and will definitely fuck me another day but not tonight. She begs me to stay anyway and promises that I won’t be disappointed. I let her persuade me and eventually agree. Dee’s girl was apparently thinking that my girl needed saving at this point and said to him that she should go and rescue her. Dee just said she looks fine and that was the end of drag away girl.. Never underestimate the value of a good wing.!

We get into stringfellows and the girls basically get really horny. We order some food and start talking about sex and what they like, seed Tantra for later and just chill with them for a while. Turns out neither of them have ever squirted so I tell them how it’s amazing and they have to experience it. They seem to like the way the conversation is going, telling us about how it’s great we are uninhibited and that Americans are so uptight about sex. One of the amusing points was having dee’s girl persuading my girl about the benefits of anal.. She must have seen the obvious disappointment in my face when she said that she wasn’t really into it.

It was funny sitting about chatting with the girls watching strippers who were obviously not as hot charging other guys to spend time with them. The strippers were trying to get our attention for a bit but we were totally absorbed by the underwear models that we didn’t give a fuck about them. Stringfellows in covent garden doesn’t really have any stunners btw.. 9’s at best and even they were thin on the ground.

Deeboy:

Whilst sitting at the table, champagne is flowing, we are surrounded with the hottest strippers, but we couldn’t careless, we were having a load of fun with these girls. They were so into their sex and thought they know every trick in the book, until we started discussing Tantric massages and squirting. HB-Blond was very curious and wanted to know all about it. This girl knew her body inside out, she explained to me that she cums from anal, as it hits her g-spot and drives her crazy, to a point on near unconsciousness.
At some point I was starting to talk about my recent experimentations with Strangulation, but I stopped myself, as I thought it might be too hard hitting. To my utter amazement, she later piped up, how being choked is her ultimate fantasy, which she has yet to live out. I was in shock, since we connected in so many ways, including many sexual fantasies that we shared. At some point she was like, “you know I’m really thinking about experiencing these things with you, I defo will not get this at home from my BF”. She loved the dominance, the power trip, but could not get her bf to play along.

I checked out her neck, she pulled it right back to expose her full neck and I started demonstrating to her my grip over her, she was loving it, as I was biting her earlobe, she said, she is getting goose bumps all over. Then just to qualify herself again over her friend she said “HB-Redhead has not got a neck for this kinda stuff”

Later on, whilst all the dances are going on, the strippers clearly trying to AMOG us and game the girls for money and sex, they ripped them off with 1k and were planning another rendezvous on Friday night in their place for 2k. At some point I get my girl on my lap, I tell her, “you know these girls are totally playing you guys” she said, “yeah they totally playing HB-Redhead, I’m totally loving it” I then started to feel her arse up, but not long afterwards one of the strippers come over and says “I’m lonely, you are ignoring me” so she dragged her over, we just let the girls have as much fun possible.

Even though I have been touching her up, I didn’t yet kiss her, I was getting slightly frustrated by that. Seb rightly pointed out “she has been screaming to you all night long, how she wants you to seduce her, DOMINATE HER”

I then pull her over, pull her down, tightened my grip around her neck as she totally submits to me and just go for the kiss, she is just so turned on, moans with delight. I then tell her, how I’m soo gonna fuck her up the arse and dominate her.

Sebastian:

VIP area.

My girl is being very overtly bi and it’s not long before the strippers pick up on it. These two redheads come over (sisters apparently) and persuade the girls to go into VIP. We all go down to the VIP area and have some fun with all the redheads. They told us that just the girls would be 480 and that we had to order a bottle of champagne to stay there. After a brief talk dees girl produces a debit card and the fun starts.!

We watch them dancing about in the girls faces for a while and then the models get a bit frustrated, mine starts flashing her tits and asking me if I wanted to see her naked too. I said definitely, both of you so they both started taking their tops and bra’s off. We asked the waitress who had just got the second bottle of don p for us if we could take pictures of our girls, she said so long as the strippers weren’t involved it was fine. We encouraged them a bit and eventually they started getting really into it:

Almost straight after the flash from the camera a bouncer comes in and starts arguing with deeboy. He wants to know what’s going on. The waitress explains the situation and he starts flipping out saying we have to leave etc, dee and I chat to him for a while and he eventually calms down. Remember Dee saying to the bouncer “What, they can’t strip in a strip club, WTF”. It really would have been ironic if the girls had got us chucked out of a strip club for stripping off and trying to fuck each other inside.

I really was trying to go for the SNL with this girl. The whole time we were kissing, she was groping me, telling me I’m really hot, she’s not normally like this etc. Thing was we couldn’t extract them because we were getting AMOGED by the strippers, who obviously had a vested interest in keeping the girls there as long as possible. $$$.. We eventually dragged them away but only after they had number closed the strippers and arranged to see them later in the week. We got to the car and Dees girl had to be home in the morning so she promised to call tomorrow. My girl had number closed me in the venue saying we had to see each other again so we decided to just let them go..

Deeboy:

As we were by the car, we were talking about coming to my place and she was like thinking yes no, and I’m tongueing her and sliding my finger in her arse crack, she laughs and says, you definitely know the right buttons to press, If we were to go home we would have crazy crazy sex.. I have to be home in the morning, coz my bf will kill me if not, but I will call you tom.

Sebastian:

In the end we probably could have fucked these girls if we’d just been a bit more insistent about the extraction.

Extraction options could have been:

Slap the bitches into submission – Credit Dr Yen..

Pick up the girls and physically put them in the car – Credit Steve Jabba..

Go home and masturbate – Credit Stonecastle..

Guess who’s advice we followed...

Fucking virgins!! Does it still count if I only do her in the ass..?

2008-07-05T06:31:00.000-07:00

Recently quite a few things have started to crystallise.. I am now beginning to understand what it means to lead a girl.. Leading is about being true to yourself and honest about your desires. If you want to take a girl home and fuck the shit out of her, let it happen.. Previously I think on some level I thought I needed to go on a date, get to know the girl and then later fuck her. I now understand that this is my mind making excuses for me choding out. Fear of escalation is probably one of the biggest problems I used to have with game. Frankly since I started ignoring the social programming I had about dates and women, instead just thinking fuck it, lets just try and see what happens, things have been much better!

This LR is the culmination of a few new mindset changes I’ve made over Christmas while I wasn’t able to go out and had to sit in with the family..

The new core beliefs which I didn’t have until recently are:

1. Any girl who is prepared to meet you alone is 100% DTF. Some will require you to be smoother than others but basically by coming they are agreeing that they want to fuck.
2. Girls will communicate to you in subtle (sometimes borderline cryptic) ways and you need to understand how to translate what they say into useful information. Learning to understand the how to process what they say took my game to another level.
3. There are no timelines for what you do with a girl, these are only in the mind. If it feels right you can do anything you want, literally anything and it will not get rejected.
4. If a women does happen to reject something you do it’s probably because you didn’t do it confidently enough i.e. showed on some level that you were uncomfortable with it.
5. You need to lead the interaction to where you want it to go. If your comfortable with what’s happening so will she be.. This is what it means to take the leading role and be the fucking man.

These ideas coupled with the other things I’ve been working on (my ONS mission, qualifying, etc.) have got me laid with a different girl every night this week so far. All of them have been fairly hot but the one last night was really the icing on the cake.. Last night I was actually shocked at myself when she turned up in this hot looking corset, with knee high boots.. Hmm. The TG guys took pictures of her for the website and after taking a look at them I’m very tempted to post them here...

Anyway the LR..

It all started new years eve at Torture Garden (TG) which was an awesome night. You know when you just have one of those legendary nights where you just run around fucking about but every set still hooks, they take your number and all text you the next day.. It was one of those. I had my non community friend with me and met up with theDeeboy first off. We went into the venue and chatted to Scoop, Nathan X, Beckster, Cardenas and a few other community guys for a while. After thinking that TG was basically the best thing since I first found out about the community I am now on a mission to attend some of the less mainstream fetish events.. Thanks Nathan for the eye opener...

After a while I decide it’s time to explore the venue and run some game so we head straight to the dungeon.. I immediately see this hot chick dressed in a red oriental silk dress so go over and start making out with her. I give her my number after she explains that she’s really a lesbian and wants to meet this girl I’m fucking at the moment.. This was a good start. I have a double date with her and this chick I fucked last week in a lesbian club tomorrow so if I can get the logistics right I’ll hopefully post the 3 some LR tomorrow.. After watching the show with Scoop and his girl for a bit we head back upstairs and I run straight into this 5 set of girls. I open my target nonverbally slightly invading the groups space and dancing with them and her for a few seconds, I smiled at her, she smiled back and I had a conversation with her which I can’t really remember but it went something like.

Seb: Hey.

HB: Hey, hows you night going.

Seb: Are you single.

HB: Yeah.

Seb: Cool, introduce me to your friends.

HB: Introduces.

Seb: I love her outfit..speaking to the group and pointing to one of them.

HB’s friends. All agree, they are now giggling and think I’m awesome.

Seb: Come dance with me.

HB: Do you think I should go dance with him (said to the group)

HB’s friends: (In an encouraging / enthusiastic way.) Yeah definitely. Go dance with him and have some fun.. We’ll wait here.

I take her hand and lead her away from the group. There were a few things which I said to smooth out the harsh authoritarian style of it and it definitely came across as more friendly and sociable than it sounds here. Bottom line I got in with the group and got her away from the friends within a few minutes. Deeboy and my friend from work were right next to us watching.

She asks me where we are going and I tell her that I saw a couples room somewhere (this is where people go to fuck in TG, a girl introduced me to it last time), we get there and all the seats are taken.. FUCK.. I figure why bother sitting down and start making out with her and groping her hard.. A after doing that for a bit this guy approaches me and says that if we want to sit down we can have his seats provided he can watch.. This would only happen at TG.. I contemplate telling him to go fuck himself but realise he is already jacking off so there’s no point. Leading the girl to the seat we go and sit down. I kiss her hard then ask her how much of an exhibitionist she is.. She doesn’t say anything so I take this as compliance and start fingering her on the outside of her white lace underwear.. This girls clothes were awesome. White silky corset, matching stockings, fucking hot.. I tell her this.

I realise when I try and get my finger inside her underwear that she’s not an exhibitionist.. She holds my hand and pleadingly looks at me.. I understand her look to mean “Look I really like you but I’m scared. This is really new to me and although I’m up for it I don’t want to do anything with this 60 year old fat guy watching and all these people around us”. I realise immediately that she’s not going to fuck tonight.

I know I need to do a little more work if she’s going to want me badly enough to chase so I stop fingering her and move to her perky breasts and she definitely starts feeling more comfortable. Then I totally stop and deliver the following line.. I came up with this on the spot to deal with the ‘Tacky club make out guy’ problem. I knew this would be an issue later when she was thinking about the night and what happened..

Tacky club makeout guy.. WTF..

The tacky club makeout guy is a throwback to the ASF archives (the original seduction newsgroup Alt.seduction.fast of which archives can be found at www.fastseduction.com). Can’t remember who’s archive it was (they are all good reading) it could have been Tyler’s. It’s the following phenomenon which almost all guys who pull girls in clubs but have no real game experience a lot when they get lucky..

If you recognise this scenario you really need to stop being ‘Tacky club makeout guy’!

Scenario:

Girl opens guy or somehow they get talking, they chat and he buys her a few drinks, she’s drunk, likes him and they kiss. He thinks WOW this is AMAZING. I have to kiss this girl all night so that she will like me enough to go home with me. He never goes for the extraction, the girl gets tired and bored of him, after an hour or so of continuous kissing the girl gets really fucking bored, her lips start to hurt from kissing, she makes up an excuse to go, gives her number and then BAM disappears forever out of the his life.. He tries to chase her for a few weeks killing any chance he ever had by thinking she is playing hard to get. He never understands why she won’t call him back and tries the same tactic with the next few girls he gets lucky with.. This cycle repeats until he finds a really horny DTF girl who thinks his lack of game is sweet and does all the work for him.. Basically he waits for fools mate.

The moral of this tale is don’t be this guy under any circumstances.. It’s boring, predictable and will not get you laid.. Ever! Thank fully this never used to be me, I was always too pussy to actually kiss girls in clubs..

Anyway so I’m thinking that this girl’s experience of me is currently putting me in borderline ‘some guy I kissed in a club’ territory. I decide I need to put a stop to this so as we were kissing, I just abruptly stopped and looked at her.. She is trying to reinitiate the kissing and I stop her.. This is fucking key.. Stop her when she is trying to be tacky club makeout girl.! I deliver the line.. “This is not going to be just some random kissing we did at TG, is it?”. She looks confused, snaps out of kissing and groping mode, which was funny to watch, and says ‘I don’t know, probably’. I translate what she said to mean.. “I’m not sure about you, you are hot and I like you but you could be just like the other idiots who try it on with me by either groping or gawping at me all day”. My response really fucked with her.. I just said ‘Ok, well then we have to stop, lets go and find your friends’. This is when her demeanour changed and she starts looking at me like I am her long lost love or something.. I drag her back to her mates who are still in the same place.. Total time with the girl is about 15-20 minutes at this point. I dance near the group for a few minutes and kiss the girl a bit more, this time in full view of her friends..

Not that I was thinking this at the time but this is actually a great move.. Her friends saw her kissing me and later asked her who was that hot guy you got lucky with.. I found out post lay that her friends thought I was cool so quizzed her a lot about me. As she was asking me questions, I asked why she wanted to know and she explained her friends had asked, making her realise she didn’t know anything about me at all. In fact she only knew my name and where I lived..!

I realise that I’m not going to get a fuck and there is plenty more night left as it wasn’t even 1am yet. I figure I need to do some more qualifying to make it solid and get into the ‘This guy is amazing, I need to fuck him ASAP or somebody else will take him away’ frame. I start asking questions about her sexuality and her interests and she is qualifying herself hard. The problem is that she isn’t bi so I’m not that into her.. Then I ask her where she lives and it turns out that she lives in the same town as me.. I obviously love this. Literally a 15 minute walk and I’m at her house.. Given that I live outside London this is quite a cool thing. I get obviously very pleased with her now. I tell her I live there too, we both obviously think this is great news.. I drop the last line I used which had an obviously PU enhancing effect on the girl.

Seb: “HB. This is awesome.. You know what that means..”

HB: “No what, tell me..”

Seb: “It means my lazyness won’t stop me from seeing you again.”

She’s laughing a lot and obviously much more into me now. This is probably because it was really obvious that if she’d said somewhere far away I would have just walked off.. I tell her she needs to take my number and she says that she doesn’t have her phone. We go to the bar and I ask for a pen. She is hugging me a lot and doesn’t want to break contact.. I’m kissing her every now and again and breaking it off to try and catch the bar guys attention. They don’t have paper so I end up writing her number on a £10 note which I found on the floor. Although I felt happy about this at the time I later find out my lucky friend found £150 on the floor in the other room..!!! I kiss her and send her on her back to her friends, waving at them all as I leave the room to find Deeboy, Dr Yen and Johnny.

I ran a few more productive sets but skipping to 3 days and 4 texts later, she has agreed to meet me outside the station in my home town. Perfect. She arrives as I’m talking to Deeboy about how I smashed the girls from the two days before. He tells me he is out with this super hot polish chick and I wish him the best.

If you’ve read my last two LR’s you know what my MO is for this type of thing.. I have a genuine shopping list from my sister this time and so we have fun finding the various items in the supermarket. I’ve kissed her full on quite a lot by the time we get to the cheese isle, I remember congratulating her for finding some palma ham by groping her besets, much to the amusement of the shelf stacker behind her..

We pay and then walk back to the bus stop. We get back to mine and I introduce her to my sister who thanks me for getting the stuff. I’ve been telling a story about how this random French artist pulled me out of a crowd when I was shopping in France at christmas and gave me this painted hat.. She asks to see the hat which just happens to be in my room…We get inside and the chill out music I left on is still playing quietly..

I am telling her about the hat, put it on her and now comes the part where I realise I have to actually escalate this girl to the point of sex or it’s going to get awkward very quickly. In PU you have windows where action will get you laid and choding out will loose you the girl.. If you miss these you are FUCKED and not in a good way..

When I was on the way to meet this girl I was thinking totally unproductive shit like, OMG I remember this chick was really hot, I’ve already posted on the other LR about this day 2.. Deeboy mentioned in the other LR that this was the hottest set of the night.. What if I fuck up or she doesn’t come.. Basically choding out.. This all came to a head in the split second when I stopped leading and asked her what she would like to do.. I said we could watch a film here or go and get a drink, what would she like.. This was a major fucking mistake! As soon as I said that I knew I was being a fucking chode and my old ways were struggling to come back.. The social programming unhelpfully installed in me by my parents was still attempting to fuck up this lay… Basically I realised just as she was saying we could go for a drink that I had to step up.. She was standing in exactly the same place as the other two girls had been the nights before so I grabbed her, started kissing and just said “Actually I’d rather stay here”..

I didn’t speak anymore and just started taking her coat off, then her scarf, kissing her neck. I stopped and showed her my bed, asking if she wanted to climb up. She said she did, I told her to take off her shoes and up she went.. We couldn’t see the amazing view I’d told her about (it was too dark) so I just grabbed her and pushed her down on the bed.. she was wearing this really horrible top. It looked amazing but was fastened with what I can only describe as bra clasps all the way down the front.. Now I can do two of these at once when they are behind her back but 20 all down the front.. That’s fucking ridiculous.. She clearly wasn’t think about my needs when she dressed herself.! I took off all her clothes and she had just let me but hadn’t tried to take off any of mine.. It was at this point that I realised she was probably not very experienced.

We were fooling around for a while and I try to put a finger inside her, thinking I should make her squirt then fuck her as usual. It was at this point that she stops me, she says that it hurts. I only had the tip of my finger in her so I was like what.. Tell me what the real problem is..

HB: “I’m a virgin, I’ve never done this before”.

Now I thought this was a line but when I eventually persuaded her to just bear any pain and let me put my fingers in her it was painfully obvious that it wasn’t. She was like a fucking vice, so tight my finger ached after going in.. I told her that we would work through it together and that it would be ok, assuring her I wasn’t upset. She couldn’t come from clit fingering so I realised that it was obviously a mental rather than physiological problem. I tried for over an hour to get her to loosen up, I did the Tantric massage and pulled out every trick I’ve learned to get her to relax. Nothing worked. I started thinking that there was no way I was going to get the lay and the last two hours I’d spent hanging out with her were about to be wasted.. She had an awesome body and after teaching her how to give her first BJ I decided to test out other options.

I talked to her about how it didn’t matter and there was always anal sex. She didn’t object so I just flipped her over and started fingering her ass. It was much more relaxed than her pussy so eventually got two fingers fully in. I fucked her in the ass for a while and I think she enjoyed it. Couldn’t really tell but at that point I was so frustrated I didn’t care.

One thing I learned from this lay is that you will always have to lead.. Always.. Any excuses for not escalating, stem from ineffective mindsets and need to be wiped out.. This is what turns you into a chode. Also given my experience in the last 3 days you can go from meet to fuck in less than two hours total time with the girl. Anyone who tells you otherwise does not properly run hardcore qualification or is scared to escalate. I am convinced every girl I’ve fucked in the last month would have fucked in less than 2 hours total contact time, it’s really about managing logistics and making it feel natural.

After sex we spoke about how I was going to break her in.. She text me just now saying she would come over in her white suspenders with some red wine on Monday.. Nice.. She looked fucking hot in those at TG..

I love game…

Update to this thread - I finally finished this girl..

What it took..

Getting her to go out, buy shit loads of sex toy's and practice for two weeks.. Like fuck was I going to do it after the first time (so tight her pussy actually hurt my finger when she started convulsing).

Tying her up with bondage tape spread-eagled on my bed.... Should have taken pictures but wasn't thinking about it..
A large dildo..
A large anal probe..
Bucket loads of lube..

She screamed a lot and it was strange how it started painful and that transmuted to pleasure after a few minutes of thrusting ( well for me anyway )..

She liked the experience and I think it's probably worth trying to expand her sexual horizons a little now.. I took the opportunity to condition her gag reflex when she was tied up.. She actually really liked it, surprisingly..

Women never seem to amaze me..

p.s. I'm officially back on the ONS/SNL mission.. I'm gonna be attempting to constantly screen for DTF (down to fuck) girls and write a post about how to spot them... Game on...

Never taking numbers from girls

2008-07-05T06:20:00.000-07:00

I implemented a rule a while ago which helped my game massively.. I will not take numbers. EVER! If they want to contact me they take my details or if it's direct I just ask them to contact me. You give them whatever they ask for, email, facebook or number, whatever.

I know it sounds strange... like why the fuck would I actually want to do that..

Well I found it gives you the best immediate feedback on how you are doing. Initially they will frequently not call so you know straight away you did a bad set. After a while they will ask you for your number and call you later. What you get when you do this is that you only interact with girls who really dig you. The inner benefit of only following up with girls who are really into you is awesome.

Imagine what it would feel like to learn that there are many girls in the world who would love to chase you... and that it's not just the ugly ones..

Train pickup - meet to sex in about an hour

2008-07-05T06:18:00.002-07:00

For a while I have been saying that I wanted to push out of my comfort Zone and start picking up girls outside of bars and clubs. Yesterday I got my first lay from the train.. This was textbook PU and was so comfortable from meet to sex that if I didn’t know better I would say this was fools mate..

After basically texting girls all day at work and setting up various dates I have come to the conclusion that my ONS game experiment is limiting the true potential of clubs.. NYE I was at TG with a bunch of guys and decided that instead of ONS game I would fuck around without caring, meet a few different people and see what happened.. I am so glad that I didn’t stick with one girl the whole night.. I’ve got a potential 3 some Saturday, a potential 3 some next week as well as two girls who basically said they wanted to meet up and fuck sometime soon. I am trying to fit them all in this week so I can do the same next week. ONS game is great but when there is more than one target girl in a venue it obviously has its limitations. I figure if I fuck all these girls I’ll be able to choose the best one based on real experience rather than just choosing on looks and later finding out I got it wrong.. I'll also be able to properly screen them outside the club with less makeup and better lighting.

After NYE I made a conscious decision to attempt to maximise my time. This means that when I’m going somewhere I need to open hot chicks if I happen to run into one. Taking the lead from my friend Johnny’s station pickups and inspired by Yen’s bus adventures I opened this chick on the way home.. She looked tired, slightly sleepy and had obviously had a long day.

I opened with (in slightly rapport breaking tonality) “Hard day huh..” and she just lit up. She started talking to me about how she’d had this crazy day etc. etc. She’s perked up and is asking questions and I know all I have to do now is qualify the chick, manage the situation so the escalation is smooth and I will fuck her.. Awesome.

Sometimes you just meet a girl who has been waiting for someone exactly like you to come into her life. This girl meets all my current criteria. Hot, bi sexual, not into drugs, sexually open / experimental, sweet personality, feisty enough to turn me on with a bit of teasing, basically she was really qualified.. We talked about everything from chess to female ejaculation and it was completely natural, this crazy sense of familiarity which you only get when you’re really connecting. This all happened in about 5 stops. She was going one stop further than me so after kissing her I just said I had to go and get some shopping did she want to come hang out. She did.. We went to Sainsbury’s (man this place is getting me laid like a mofo) I got my shopping done and then obviously had some bags so needed to take the stuff home. I get her to walk back with me (in hindsight I should have got the bus as it was fucking cold) and she said that she wanted to get a drink before going to my house.

Since becoming aware that what girls say needs to be run through a game translator I understood that what she was really saying was…. “I only just met you and I know we are about to fuck, I’m nervous and need to get some alcohol so that I don’t have to think too much about what’s happening. I also later want to be able to say to my friends that it just happened after a bottle of wine with this great guy.” I reply smiling to myself about the translation and say that would be great.

We go to my local on the way back (really nice pub and less than a minute from my house) and she asks what wine I like. I say red and she says something about how she does too, getting really excited about all our similarities, she’s being very sweet. From experience I know that she is rationalising that I’m her perfect guy so that she can fuck me without feeling bad that we only met an hour before. I make sure to emphasise that vibe and feeling for her, pulling her in, kissing her hard and agreeing about how awesome it is.

She asks whether we should get glasses or a bottle and (stealing a line from Dr Yen) I ask her “Do you think we can handle a bottle”, all the while giving her that I’m going to fuck the shit out of you look. She says she thinks we can handle it.. I kiss her hard and then tell her to get the Rioja at the top of the list. She agrees, asks for the wine, pays for it and then we go sit down in the corner. I later found out this was the most expensive one.. Ohh well, I'm worth it..!

We sat and chatted for a bit more and the wine is starting to have the desired effect. After about 30 minutes one of the waiting staff asks us to leave because we are creating a scene in front of the people eating.. I was semi groping her and we were kissing a lot. This has never happened to me and I think it’s really funny.. The girl is half laughing half mortified. I tell her we have to leave as this is my local and I don’t want to get banned.. That guy couldn’t have come at a better time if I’d paid him.. In hindsight maybe next time I will ask them to come and kick us out.

We get back to mine, I introduce her to my sister, apologise to my sister for being so late back and tell her we got held up. I quickly text Dr Yen saying that I am going to have to bail on cheapskates tonight explaining the situation... All of us are finding the fact that we got thrown out of the pub very funny, my sister asks me if I left some music on, saying that she thought I was in. I get the girl to follow me to my room so we can check... This couldn’t have worked out better if it was planned.

Back in my room I just push the girl against the wall (this is killer btw) and start taking her top of. She gives token resistance which I take as her saying “I’m not a slut, you need to be really smooth”. I put my hand on her lower back under her top, kiss for a few seconds then run my hand up her back as she moans from that I reach up unclasp her bra. It falls down her arms and I take her top and bra off.. I remember feeling really happy that it’s all going much better than the LMR debacle which I’d had the night before..

I ask her if she likes massage, which she does and if she would like a Tantric massage. She quickly agrees and starts quizzing me about what it is. I tell her to take her jeans off which she does as I’m kissing her prefect breasts.. I love it when girls with small frames have tits which are just massively disproportionate to the rest of their bodies. I actually asked her in the pub if they were fake cuz they were really perky and so big relative to her small body. I give her the massage running through my steadily improving script about how this will enhance her orgasms. She is getting really into it and I notice her g string was soaking..

Not much more techniques here, from as soon as she got into my bed it was like two lovers fucking. On a side note this was the first time that I’d seen the girl really start shaking uncontrollably when she squirted and I actually used the fact that she didn’t believe I could do it to her as a way to build trust and credibility with her. I honestly believe this girl would do anything I told her now.. She couldn’t walk properly she came so hard..! One very interesting thing that she said was that she knew there had been another girl in my bed within the last 48 hours. I think this could have been a test but my new honesty rule saved the day. I just smiled and said somewhat cryptically “What gave it away”. She just smiled and didn’t mention it again. I later found a hair clip from the other girl on my office chair..

One really great thing about this girl was that she had really great game, seriously awesome. We talked after I’d fucked her about going out and picking up girls together.. She said in that she’d never tried to get a girl home and failed and also that she always went for straight girls and converted them.. I think I was starting to fall in love.. Amazingly she ran some shocking cold reads on me in the pub, guessing my star sign first time and later in the bedroom my exact birthday, down to the day.. I know that she couldn’t have found out before hand so anyone who knows how to do this can you please please please message me.. This trick really deepened our ‘we know everything about each other’ connection… hahaha

Wingmen and giving value

2008-07-05T06:18:00.001-07:00

What does it really mean to give value, why does spending time with some people make you feel good regardless of whether they actually do anything which directly benefits you. What is it about some people that makes you feel drained after they leave.. Why are some people always selfishly taking from others?

Giving value applies not just to us as guy’s in relation to what we give to girls. It also applies to wings as in what value they give to each other and to girls that interact with you.

One thing about value which a lot of guys don’t seem to be aware of is what it means to be a good wing. Bad wings can kill not only your state but also your ability to actually PU anyone. I’ve had a few experiences now where wings basically come out, watch you open a set, come in, AMOG you and then relentlessly pursue the hottest girl in the group. Guys who are crap with women almost always have very bad, hugely selfish wings and it’s one of the reasons they don’t get laid..!

I had one set last year go down like this:

Me: Hi guys. What’s up. Vibe Vibe Vibe.

Two minutes of conversation.

Girls: Where are you from, what’s your name, etc..

My 'friend' Appears: (speaking overly loudly while invading my personal space, grabbing my shoulder hard while also shaking me slightly) Hey dude, it’s your round.. Get me a …..

Basically this guy has learned that blowout game makes you look like an alpha male.

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Slight digression but naturals do this a lot, a recent example being a guy who said to a 3 set of mine last week “This guys a player I’ve seen him doing this with lots of other girls” Obviously this guys retarded and forgetting his intent, it’s not exactly a bad thing for him to say..

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Anyway how to respond to something like that.

1. Either actively fight for the girls.. “Sorry dude, I’m talking”. Look alpha but also possibly cheap and like you don’t value your friends over the women.

2. Get the drink, allow the wing to loiter about, eventually take set and fuck it up.

I did number two at the time. Now I’d probably just ignore completely which after a few more of these I’ve found worked the best.

Getting back to the main point of this, giving value when you’re out with wings is that when you’re out with guys you should really feel you have a duty to help them as much as possible. If you don’t, go out alone.

Questions I now ask myself when winging.

How can I help my wings PU move more quickly.?
Will doing this help my wing get laid?

Now the wings I have at the moment are awesome, they generally DHV me to girls, and we work together to ‘own’ venues.

What I think some people need to become aware of is that:

a. Actively pursuing girls who your wing is into is counterproductive, actively chatting up girls on behalf of your wing however is a great move and meets little or no resistance..
b. There are millions of women in the world and if you don’t personally know hot chicks who would date you, it’s basically your laziness and fear that’s the problem.
c. Blowout game is not something to unleash on 'friends' you are out with. Doing it is looser behaviour! Although it might well get you laid, do this on guys you don’t know if you must, provided you actually have the balls...
d. If you find yourself in a venue speaking to groups, involving your wing is always a good idea. If you have any doubts about that, get new wings.
e. Wings should be relentlessly pumping each others state.
f. Wings should be encouraging opening of all sets.
g. When out guy’s need to agree who’s into who early on and stick to it.

Re point a. Chatting up girls on behalf of your wing.

Lets say your wing opens a set of ridiculously hot girls, chats for 10 mins, they laugh and really like him, he introduces you and you get chatting to the hottest one as frequently happens.

You could do the stupid thing and attempt to chat her up yourself BUT.. if you instead start qualifying her on behalf of your wing, big him up to her and start making her question whether she is good enough. “My wing is the one of the greatest guys I know”, “you’re not going to be one of those girlfriends who takes people away from their friends are you”, so can you cook, are you good in bed, rich, etc. etc. You not only make yourself seem very cool, you also are 20 times more likely to get in with this girls friends. When she inevitably pulls your wing, her mates will now be feeling social pressure to hook up with you.

Wings can either kill the whole thing or get you laid.

Beating Last Minute Resistance (LMR)

2008-06-29T15:34:00.000-07:00

This report is not exactly text book game. I didn’t put in the right things so had to deal with a hell of an annoyance in the end. I fucking hate LMR and will generally not bother to break through it. This time I was challenged by TheDeeboy to see if I could escalate smoothly with this girl and well, when he challenged my ability to fuck this chick I just had to revalidate myself.. I wanted to prove I wasn’t mentally masturbating I could have her.. Deeboy clearly wasn't aware of my super deluxe LMR destroyer routine... This sequence is what I do to beat LMR and to date it hasn't failed me.

The cardinal rule I’ve found in PU is that if you want an easy life you must qualify the girl hard.

This means that you need to be finding out what her boyfriend/girlfriend situation is very early on, you need to make sure she is good in bed, into the same stuff as you, etc. Basically you need to screen her to see if she’s the type of girl you go for. Often qualification is the thing which goes out of the window when you are really attracted to the girl. The thing to remember is that if you don’t qualify you will probably get LMR..Bigtime..!

For clarity, examples of qualifiers are:

Are you single.
How good are you in bed.
Can you give a great blowjob.
Do you do anal.
Are you bisexual.

At a basic level qualifying will usually take the form of a question you ask the girl to see if she has a particular trait which you like. It really can be anything. If you have the right vibe even “What do you do” can be a qualification question – hot girls are amazing at projecting this vibe.

Anyway the actual LR.

Started at a night out in The End with Deeboy, we were rolling about having a good time as usual, dealing with the usual AMOGS and just fucking around with girls. Was in a lot of different sets and had a few choices about who to take home with me that night. At about 3 I saw a girl who looked hot so went over and started chatting, walked over as soon as I saw her and it was on. She reminded me a lot of this girl I used to fancy at university but was too chode to actually pull. Oh well. Anyway Dee joined us and took a few pictures (which I’m tempted to post but wont because she’s really sweet, and swallows  ), we were going to leave the venue and call it a night just before I opened the girl and she told me that she was visiting some friends in Hampton the next day (this is right near were I live). I did my usual game, gave her my number and said she should text me. Telling her I had to go soon I isolated her to a bench sat down and talked a bit more, I went in for the kiss as we were about to leave and she turned her cheek. I just hugged her and said it was a shame I had to go then went for it again, she turned the cheek again but the look in her eye after I did it told me that she would definitely text me. Dee and I left the venue. On the way home we saw two hot looking South African chicks who were walking about in holbourn, I jumped out of the car and a few minutes later they were getting in to go to an after party at Dees house… Those girls were the most amusing pair I’ve ever met and I’ll probably write up the reports on those eventually (Dee maybe able to help here, that night was a little surreal).

Forward to the next day and I am on a date with one of the girls from Miss Brazil having just come from a girls house who I fucked that night. I get a text from her.. “Hey xxx, I’m at my friends house watching a film. How are you? HBxxx”. Busy with the other girl I just reply “Hey HB, lets meet up in Kingston later. Text me when the film finishes.” I would normally have been a bit more polite but in future probably won’t, the dominant approach seems to work very well. She texts me back OK, it will be finished at about 7.30.. It’s 6.30 so I tell the other girl I have to pack for my flight (which actually was at 4am the next day) and she has to go. Walk her to the station, and at this point I’m going to digress a little.. As we walk to the station we are waiting to cross the road, a bus pulls up and just stops next to us. There are no bus stops or anything it just stops and opens the doors. The driver is checking out the girl. We both thought this was hilarious, I’m joking with her about how she needs to come and stay at my house so she can stop the busses outside for me.. Anyhow, I take her to the train which has been delayed and leave her there so I can just make it in time to meet the other girl. I get to the place we agreed to meet and take her to a bar I’d never been to before (it’s deserted) tell stories for about 45 minutes and then announce we have to do some shopping (this is now going to be my new day two MO, its killer). We pick up a few things from the shop for the flight and obviously I now have shopping bags so we need to take them home… 1 ½ hours into the date and she’s back at my house, I really wasn’t expecting to get her back so soon, it threw me a bit and I also still had to pack for my trip. She had to go soon to get home so I told some more stories and we kissed a few times and she left.. This pissed me off. I kept thinking I should have been fucking her and it grated me for the week while I was away.. Just after she left I text Dee saying that I’d only managed to kiss her due to LMR and he replied:

“Well somebody very knowledgeable told me, Qualification = no LMR so maybe that plus some push pull. But anyway great job mate, I salute u.!”

This was particularly ironic.. I’ve been banging on about my new qualifier mindset for ages and about how it’s not only getting me laid more but it’s also killing all LMR, to the point where I just don’t have to deal with it anymore… That text made me realise that I didn’t really qualify very much at all during the initial PU or during the date. I had been so preoccupied with getting her back to mine and doing my shopping that I’d just told stories the whole time, she was fucking attracted but I hadn’t qualified..

Anyway forward to new years eve. Getting ready for what turned out to be a very productive night I spoke to Dee about what we were going to do at Torture Garden (awesome NYE for everyone btw) and he basically challenged me to actually fuck this girl..

The conversation went something like..

Dee: So are you going to fuck that HB?
Seb: Can’t be bothered to fight through the resistance.
Dee: Yeah but she’s hot you should fuck her.
Seb: Nah, can’t be bothered.
Dee: Can’t be bothered or just can’t.
Seb: Dude I could totally fuck her I just don't want to.
Dee: Are you sure you could fuck her?
Seb: Ok dude, I’ll fuck her for you..

He seemed to think I needed to revisit breaking down LMR… Which actually turned out to be a fairly fun albeit long experience.. As soon as I got of the phone to him I text her saying that I was going to be relaxing/recovering in Kingston New years day, did she want to come hang out.? Got a text back saying “Hey, I was going to do the same thing. Why not do it together”. Now if this girl wasn’t painfully uncomfortable with physical intimacy this would have been a done deal.. It was so awkward when we kissed the first time I still can’t believe that I fucked this girl.. It was then that I realized that escalation can actually substitute for good game! If you can escalate well you can get away with a lot of deviation from textbook PU.

New years day.

Drained from what turned out to be an all nighter interspersed with random handjobs, kissing and number swapping at torture garden ( and on the train home ) I set off to meet the girl at 4. She came to meet me at the same place as before, I grab her, Kiss her properly and then announce I just got up and needed to go and get food.. She came to Sainsbury’s and we got food, she knows what’s coming next… We arrive back at mine at about 4:30.

Last time I wasn’t prepared. This time, I can take my time and I also have a rough plan.. Before I left to meet her I changed the sheets on my bed for satin sheets.. I left the main duvet without a sheet cover… We get into my room I start kissing her, then break it off and ask her to help me put the duvet cover on. My bed is high up so she has to climb on and I tell her she needs to take off her shoes. She complies.

Remember reading ages ago about compliance ladders which are basically to gain agreement on something small and then get progressively bigger and bigger things. I always start with getting the shoes off. She helps me put the sheet on and now we are sitting on my bed next to each other, she’s talking about what film we are going to watch (I wish I hadn’t felt the need to introduce a reason to be back at my house ) I just drag her down and start making out with her.. She stops asking about the film.

Step by step breaking the resistance..

The bra and top.. This is the first step for me, I always get this one done first. It’s normally a 3 second affair where I just reach behind the girl (yes with one hand) and undo the bra and the clothes just come off.. Not this time.. She starts telling me that I can’t touch her under the clothes.. Nice. I say ok, at some point run my badly remembered rikers 2 rules (it’s supposed to be 3 but I left out the part about safe sex) and start kissing her breasts through the clothes and around her neck. She likes this. At some point I manage to get my hand on her back under the clothes, I say I just want to hold her and take off her bra asking if that’s ok as I’m doing it. Now that her bra’s undone and my hand is fully on her breasts she says that there isn’t much she can do about it now it’s done.. She getting into it..

I notice a pattern that once I have my hand on the body part she was resisting me touching for a few moments, resistance stops.. Hmmm.. She obviously likes me touching her. I start wandering if she does anal… After ages trying (not asking her but just trying to pull it off) I eventually get her to help me take her bra and top fully off. By the time she agrees she is letting me freely suck on her tits and it’s just in the way. Every time she would stop me I would just go back to the last thing which I was doing and try again after kissing her for a while. Eventually I have her in her tights and there is no way she is going to help me remove them.. Despite multiple attempts.

I realise I need to change tack so switch to plan b.. I ask her if she likes massage. She does. Ask her if she wants a Tantric massage.. She does.. I say ok, I reach for the oil and tell her that she needs to take off her tights. She says, "Ohh it's a full body massage, Ok" and they come off in seconds. I think about how FUCKING annoying it was that I hadn’t just done this earlier.. She’s now lying on my bed covered in oil with nothing but a g-string.. Hmm, I think it’s definitely game over now but she doesn’t want to make it easy…

The underwear..

I spend about 10 minutes doing a full body massage focusing a lot on her inner thigh and on brushing up against her pussy and surrounding areas as much as possible incidentally. I then flip her over do her breasts and get a lot of oil over her groin area. I massage her around her tummy and move a bit lower but she keeps stopping me when I try to take her underwear off. When she tries to move me away from her pussy I just go back to massaging her breasts then work my way quickly down her I had to do this so many times I lost count. Eventually I just put my hand inside her pants and when she trieed to pull it away I just made sure it stayed there for a little bit. She starts to enjoy me fingering her and finally when I have two fingers inside her, agrees to let me take the pants off. FUCK.. I realise that it’s nearly 5:30 and I’ve spent the best part of an hour combating LMR.. I resolve to make sure to qualify every girl in the future.

After I made her squirt I just used my line, which btw always works and can never produce a bad reaction.. This line is awesome and I’ve never had a girl say anything but yes. The magic line..

“Should I get a condom?”

Best used when in bed after a heavy makeout / fingering session.

For those that know me, she just facebooked me so go check her out..

ps..

Some of the less initiated among us may think that this girl was just DTF (down to fuck) and that this kind of LMR is not something which is that hard to get over. While it may be true that she usually wants you to overcome it, before I got my LMR destroyer sequence down I had many girls back to mine, sleeping in my bed nearly naked without managing to actually fuck them. After I'd done this a few times I recognised that LMR is something that you create for yourself by running crap or incomplete game. It's feedback from the girl that something is missing.

Fun with eastern europeans

2008-06-29T15:32:00.000-07:00

About time I wrote this one up from my side. Was out recently with Don Coyote and we decided to go to a club called Guanabara. It’s a brazilian place with a live band near Holbourn / covent garden. I’d been twice previously but never really rated it, I always thought it was a little loud for game..

On the way we went into a few bars to do some sets just basically to get into a friendly, chatty mindset. Had a bunch of fun with some girls in this Mexican restaurant and ultimately went on to Guanabara. As we stopped to get cash a fairly fat girl behind us smiled at me so I started talking to her saying the first things that came into my head at the time. As Don C was finishing getting cash he came and started speaking to her too while I pulled out some money and a couple of cuter girls came into the que behind the fat chick. I smiled at them, they smiled back at me, so again I went over and started talking to them. We asked them where they were going and they didn’t really know so we suggested they join us at Guanabara. They seemed a little shocked when we said good bye to the fat chick as they obviously assumed we were with her group but didn’t say anything much about it. We happily chatted on the way to the club.

On the way we almost immediately split into couples and I did the arm in arm walk with the girl who I was with. For those who don’t know, when walking in the same direction as the girl stick out your arm fairly obviously in an ‘I’m a little teapot’ type way towards the girl (really can’t think of a better explanation) obviously forgetting the spout part.. If she’s attracted she will immediately jump for the hoop in your arm (yes she’s jumping through your hoops now ), putting her arm through it and you will immediately be doing fairly good level 1 kino with the chick. This is a very natural move to do and smoothes out the escalation nicely. It’s easy to transition to hand holding from it and it’s also quite natural for you to invade her personal space with your head as you talk once your arm in arm. If your doing this properly your heads should be quite close most of the time and she will probably lean into you quite a lot as you walk along.

We get to the club and we have been holding hands for about 10 minutes as we were walking along. I’m squeezing her hand and she’s reciprocating the same thing back, these are all good signs.. We get inside eventually but during the 15 mins queing up, Don C and I swap girls, again a very good thing to do to pump their state. Chatting up your wing’s girl is obviously not the point here, the idea is to DHV your wing and brag about how cool a guy he is in a non obviously bragging way. I realise fairly quick that Don C’s chick is a proper bitch and I begin to think that she might actually ruin the set. Although she was hot HB8 body, her voice was really annoying and she had nothing nice to say about anything.. Fair to say that after about 15 mins talking I was glad to be in the loud club.

We get in the club and she starts properly picking on Don C, I know this means that she is into him and unfortunately for Don C, this is her way of saying ‘I like you and think your cool’. Dam this girl was annoying.! We get into the club and I can’t see any girls not already grinding with guys who were much better than the chick I came with, I resolve there and then to go for the ONS with her. Can’t emphasise how important it is to decide what your outcome is early on. If your going for the ONS, and this may go against what a lot of PU theory will tell you to do, stick with the girl as long as she’s still into you.. If she says I’m going to the toilet wait here, wait, even if it’s for 10 mins! I’m going to put my bag into the cloak room, will you wait for me, wait. My girl did this to me twice I’m sure just to see if I would wander off and game another girl. She was twice as into me when she came back. When she said I’m going to the bar can you watch my bag, I stood around for a while and she came back to give me a cocktail.

For clarity, I had been in the set for over an hour by this point, it was totally on and we had already been through the lets test each other stage. If a girl does this to you within the first 10 mins, walk away, tell her to fuck off or maybe do both.!

Isolation, Isolation and more Isolation..

My dance floor game is shit but lately I’ve been using it as an isolation tool. Lets go and dance nicely separated the two set and made it more natural to go for the kiss. We grinded for about 5 minutes, I pushed and pulled her about, a few twirls then kissed her lightly and pushed her away. Wash, rinse and repeat until she’s eating my face. Always be the first to break it off, when it gets heavy, push her away slightly and move out of her space, when she comes back towards you slightly, grab her and do the whole thing again. This is classic push pull, albeit non verbally. When you’ve either had enough, are bored of it or think her state/hornyness is high enough to go for the extraction suggest that you go back to the rest of the set or leave the venue.

On the way back to Don C and his bitch (literally), I planted the idea that Don lives near, we should go back for drinks. At this point she probably would have accepted anything as girls are highly suggestible when they are horny and she said that might be fun. We stood about for a while kissing in obvious view of Don C and the other girl as I knew that seeing my girl kissing me would now put pressure on the other girl to kiss Don C. This worked I think as she agreed to come back for drinks with some gentle persuasion.

Back in the house I asked them to take their boots off, suggested Don C show his chick that cool thing on his laptop and they went off to his room. In the living room I told my girl I was going to the toilet, she said something I didn’t hear, came back and she had taken her clothes off down to her thong and was waiting for me on this bean bag sofa / bed thing..

As I fell asleep I was full of gratitude for my excellent super deluxe wing, Don C.

Don, my cock thanks you.. This chick had the body of a yoga instructor..!

Down to Fuck girls in Tiger Tiger

2008-06-29T15:30:00.000-07:00

This lay did not really require game. The only aspects of this which required anything from me were.

a. Opening
b. Escalating to the kiss
c. Asking to leave the venue

This all happened within about 15 minutes.. Sometimes chicks are DTF (down to fuck) for those who aren’t familiar with superbad.

Night started out in Dr Yen’s house, we were chilling and made food, chatted. I cant remember whether it was before or after the mulled wine that I fell in love with Yen but suffice to say we had a romantic dinner for two which really set the mood for the whole evening.. On the way to the venue we were generally joking around and having an awesome time, by the time we got there my state was somewhere in the stratosphere. We had a few problems getting in and they wouldn’t believe Dr Yen’s age so turned him back to get ID.. Don Coyote was already inside so I left Dr Yen and somewhat begrudgingly walked inside. I walked past the door security and started jumping about with Don C only to have the security guys chase me in and try and get me to pay, I walked back and then another group came in and there was some kind of confusion about whether they needed to pay. A manager looking guy came out and said that they didn’t need to, I just kind of looked at the security guy with a WTF face and walked in with them. They let me go and I disappeared into the crowd before they could realise I didn't know them and stop me.. This was pure fluke really but it’s also the second time something similar has happened in the last few weeks!

We walked around to scope the venue and spoke to a few groups on the way, nothing eventful. Once we came back down we ran into Beball and a few others who we stayed and chatted to for a bit. I saw a few shooter girls in the time I was sitting down and went in to chat to them both. Had a fairly good emotionally charged conversation with one of them and we ended up opening a few groups together to sell them shots with mixed success. She took my number (a new rule of mine) and I’m fairly sure nothing will come of it.

I wanted to sit down somewhere out of the way (mental note that this might be a good place to look for drunk DTF girls) and saw a sofa off the main dancefloor with a cute chick sitting on it. This was perfect. I sat opposite her debated whether to open her with Don C for a minute. On reflection I really should have skipped this part but it’s hard to kill the inner chode who will always come up with a million reasons why opening is a bad idea. One excuse I kept saying in my head was that she’s drunk, we don’t do drunk chicks.. Basically I just thought fuck it, stop choding out, and went in, generally with no idea what I was going to say. Sat next to her and said what’s up or something similar, she was texting (in a drunken way) and held up her index finger telling me to wait a second.. I could have taken this badly but just replied “who are we texting?” and put my arm around her. She lit up at this point and started rambling about random stuff, most of it I couldn’t hear because of the music. What I did hear were the usual where are you from, who are you, what do you do type questions, all rapid fire one after the other. When girls ask you two or three of these type of questions in a row, if you’re in good position to do it, escalate. I took my arm off her and told her she’s really cute, put my hands through her hair and then just kissed her. She was really into the face eating so I stopped her and broke it off to let her ask me a few more questions. She started getting to know me a bit and I spread the conversation intermittently with face eating sessions. She couldn’t really kiss properly, either because she was a shit kisser (this is common), because she was wasted or maybe both. I said that she was making me want to take her home and she seemed pleased so I said shall we get out of here and she agreed. We talked about who’s place was best to go to, hers was nearer and then we got up to go and get my bag. On the way back I just talked enough to do a bit of commonality sharing and inter-dispersed the boring conversation with lots of kissing. It’s amazing how many commonalities a girl who had decided to fuck you will create, almost from nothing just to backwards rationalise her decision to fuck you. I couldn’t keep up with the leaps of logic this girl was spouting on about to make herself feel like we had a genuine connection.

On the way out I also noticed the walk which I think TD said girls do when they have decided to fuck you. It’s cute, they kinda shuffle along holding your hand with the tips of their fingers and their hands held quite close to their ass as they walk in front of you. If you get this and she’s leading you somewhere, so long as you don’t do something stupid your done, stop gaming and just make sure you keep her horny..

I think this one had a boyfriend, no shit tests came from her at any stage bar telling me to wait at the beginning and she was generally looking fairly guilty in the morning. I got the feeling she was fucking me to prove something to herself about her relationship with someone else although I could be wrong.

The sex was surprisingly good, especially since she was drunk. She also squirted first time, which means that every girl I have ever fucked has now been able to do this and I can’t believe how fucking quick and easy it is to make them do it! When I told her that I didn’t drink she mumbled something about not being able to blame me for what happened which I thought was amusing. This was basically fools mate and so not much learning for me from this one unfortunately.

This was lay 4 in the 7 days since I started my quest for more ONS’. I’ll post separately about my new ONS mindset but my overall mission is to do a whole bunch more ONS’ before I leave the country. I want to know if I am ever in a relationship it’s not because I can’t go and get sex from hot girls whenever I want. The overall goal is to know that I can PU girls from wherever I happen to be, which means I have to get at least a few from public transport, some from the street, some from shopping centres, from the supermarket and also from the gym. Clubs / bars are obviously my current favourite but it’s all about pushing out of the comfort zone..

First lay after adopting the ONS mindset

2008-06-29T15:29:00.000-07:00

This was my first lay since adopting my new rules about ONS'.

It was the day before my birthday so I decided to head out to soho with Don coyote. We went into the slug and lettuce to have a look round and spotted a two set of Swedish girls both at least 7’s. Went and sat next to them and chatted for a while. We had a fairly cool conversation during the set and my girl had just broken up with her abusive boyfriend, was collecting her stuff the next day from his flat etc. They said they wanted to have an early night so I gave her my number as we left. Definitely a good warm up set.

Went into another bar and ended up chatting to a group of advertising execs one of which was this cute Brazilian girl. Don C was getting in well with the her so I gamed the set hard and ended up being offered a job by the director of the Ad agency.. Nice. Don decided that she wasn’t interesting enough for whatever reason and so we decided to leave and we met up with Dr Yen and Zig Zag in Soho. On the way back into the main part of Soho Don C and I gamed (very directly) a cute looking flyer girl who in between laughter at all the highly sexual joking around we were doing explained that she had a boyfriend. We were asking her things like how much she would charge to do us both, and telling her that she looked like a sex worker.. She was loving it..

The final venue we rolled into was called the village, it was deserted bar a 15 set of Italian girls, a transvestite (or possibly just an manly girl), a few couples and two American girls. We walked in and as I’m always up for a challenge and there was the hottest girl in the bar in their group I opened the 15 set. I walked over and said the first thing that came into my head “Hey, what’s the occasion..”. it was greeted by blank stares from the group upon which I said “Do any of you speak English”. This dyke looking chick acknowledged that she did so I just said “cool” and took it as an invitation to sit with them. There were no chairs so I just went over to the bar, grabbed another stool, walked back and made them move up so I could sit in their rather large circle. The girl was not hot at all and mostly boring so I was looking to try and get something going with the hot one who was sitting opposite me in-between two large and old looking Italian women. As luck would have it Dr Yen came into the set and so as there was no room I moved my chair into the middle of the circle, directly facing the hot girl I wanted to talk to. We chatted for a while but in-between her bad English and my ever decreasing enthusiasm it was hard to get a good vibe going. I attempted a weak venue change as they were leaving and it failed. Ohh well.

Don C was having some luck with this black American girl at the bar so Yen and I decided to have some fun with blowout game. Blowout game is basically where you go into a set to purposely blowout some chode. You have to open the girl and get her totally dis interested in the chode asap. As the only ‘girl’ in the bar now as far as we could see was the tranny and she was being chatted up by this tall banker looking dude it was a no brainer.. 15 mins later and chode is obviously blown out and we are debating the nature of the universe, spirituality and the genuineness of this chicks amazingly large breasts.. I think if we’d tried we could have roasted this one.. Thankfully we had better judgment.

Don C had moved with his girl into the same bar as us (there are two bars in this venue) and had brought the other American chick with them. The chode from the previous set was trying his luck so I thought I’d go in too and see what happened.. In about 30 seconds he was blown out again and so me, yen, Don C, and the girls left the venue. As we stood about chatting to the American girl we were joking around so I ended up laughing a lot. The chick started mirroring my movements and from then I just knew it was on.. I said she had to stop making me laugh because I’d just been to the gym and my abs were killing me. She tried to carry on and after pushing each other playfully a few times I held out my hand and said “Look, lets just run away together.” Not sure why I said that but she agreed, took my hand and I dragged her down this alleyway near by. She was like where are we going and I said I’m going to fuck you down this alley.. She said I didn’t look like the kind of guy who would do that so I just pushed her against the wall and we made out for about 2 mins, I ended the kissing (or face eating on her part) and walked with her back to the group.. We stayed chatting for a bit and she kept saying she couldn’t come home with us, chicks before dicks etc (she was waiting for her other friend). As luck would have it her other friend went off with another guy so she had nowhere to go, I said we should go back to hers together and she objected that she shares a room. I asked if she had a couch and from then on it was a done deal.. This girl said she’d never had an orgasm from a guy before and she confessed after sex that she’s bi sexual, seeing a girl back in the states. Nice.. On the way out I took the liberty of deleting my number from her phone as I’d given it earlier to create more comfort. I really thought that would be the last time I saw her.

Unfortunately she managed to get my number from Don C who unbeknown to me had swapped numbers with her other friend.. He got an anonymous text asking for my number, assumed it was Yen, gave it and then sent me a text saying something like here is Yen’s number.. I called Yen (or so I thought) as I was going into the lambada class on Friday to sort out the next night out. Man was it hard to explain what had happened to the number she saw me save in her handset.

The one night stand experiments

2008-06-29T15:28:00.000-07:00

One thing that I’ve realised about a lot of the guys who are amazing with women is that they seem to have (for various reasons) chosen to have a series of one night stands (ONS) rather than opting for long term relationships. The mentality seems to have been to either do ONS’ continually, forgoing relationships completely, or to do purely ONS’ for a prolonged period. It makes sense to me that if you want to be good at getting women into bed, you need to run the process from opening to lay a lot of times, identify what seems to work and then use that experience to improve further. I knew intuitively before I started that it would help me truly understand the abundance mentality that everyone always goes on about.

As I’m moving away from the UK in 6 months, I decided I needed to up my game to the next level. With that in mind, I have and will be attempting to keep a strictly ONS mindset. No day 2’s, 3’s etc, seal the deal same night or blow out. I’ve relaxed this slightly when I’m doing social circle game, inviting multiple girls to parties etc (mainly because I can’t exactly invite a big group of post ONS girls somewhere together..although it might be fun), generally I’ve made a commitment that when I’m interacting with a girl I am doing it to set up a ONS. It doesn’t always work but it’s been fun and I’ll be attempting to post LR’s of all the ones I’ve had since I started this experiment a few weeks ago.

My general rules now are:

1. I will not pursue girls, if forced to delay the lay, I give contact details when asked and that’s all. That way I can’t reinitiate contact unless she approaches me first.
2. I must qualify all girls to the extreme, based mainly on looks and my ever expanding list of sexual preferences.
3.Escalate shamelessly as soon as I feel that it’s the right time to do it.
4. Post lay I am not under any circumstances going to enter into a relationship with the girl. If she is great, an amazing fuck, whatever, I am allowed to fuck her again a few times but only after a night out where I must try to find another ONS.
5. If I am unable to go out for whatever reason I can invite a girl over but cannot fuck her.

These rules have got me laid like crazy in the last week. Ironically the times when I failed to lay the chick same night have been when I choded out and didn’t follow them.

Torture garden: Pushing out of the comfort zone

2008-06-29T15:26:00.000-07:00

This is a hard to write because basically I feel like I couldn’t roll around owning the venue on this one. I don’t know whether it was the fact that there were naked models everywhere, random groups of body painted chicks pulling or the random guys walking about masturbating but Torture garden was definitely a shock to the system. I didn't open that many girls the whole night and I’m really not that proud of the way this LR went down. Yet again I had what could have been an opportunity of a threesome and fucked it up!

For the uninitiated torture garden is a fetish club. To go you need to dress up in a striking way and you generally get very uninhibited people going to it. Peacocking takes on a whole knew meaning when you have guys walking around dressed as bunny rabbits who are also wearing a 10” strapon. I went out to Camden before hand and ended up spending about £150 on an outfit. Don Coyote and I took the excellent advice of Dr Yen on this one and nobody believed that we’d never been to the event before. I’ll attempt to upload pictures of the outfits ASAP but as there is a no camera policy the only pictures will be of us before we went out..

I basically had two successes from the event so I’ll attempt to break down each interaction as best possible.

Success 1.. Italian chick.

This girl literally saved my night. I was totally in my head until she came up and re-introduced herself.

Starting at the beginning; Don C and I were out shopping in Camden with Dr Yen and I decided to take a look at this top. We had already been joking around the whole time and were very high energy (as usual). I was debating whether to buy it and randomly asked this woman standing in the shop if it looked cool. She said it did and I asked about whether she thought I had small nipples (Yen had negged me with this earlier just before I fucked him in the cubicle at cyberdog, I still don’t know what came over me, that guy has sick game) .. We joked around for a while and said we were going to TG, she said she would see us there and I thought nothing more of it.

Forward to TG – we had been there about an hour and I was not really feeling it. Found it hard to feel like I belonged in the place, like I was pretending to be this person I wasn’t.. Blah, Blah, Blah, insert more bullshit excuses here… Basically I was choding up, getting inside my head and not putting all the things I’ve been drilling into myself for the past 5 years into play. Fuck it’s so annoying when you let the environment control you.! Basically the Italian chick came up to me and said "hey, so you actually made it here.."

Now this was actually quite a funny comment for me.. I’d lost my ticket and had to sweet talk the girl on the entrance desk to get another one, we thought we might not get in and I had been going crazy thinking I’d dropped it somewhere in Camden.. I wanted to unload my emotionally charged OMG it was such a mission to get here, I’ve been going crazy at myself for loosing this ticket, etc, etc.. This would have been very gay. Thankfully I just stopped thinking at this point and went into game autopilot.. At fucking last!

I just said “Hey, OMG, what happened to your rubber dress..!” as she had promised to wear a rubber dress when we spoke in the shop. She started explaining that she decided to wear something else and that the rubber dress was probably better but she wanted to wear something new, etc, etc.. I asked her who she was with and she said some friends and my boyfriend is over there pointing to this tall guy. She said he’s a DJ but he lets me do whatever I want… I was thinking cool. Let’s test the whatever I want part out. We chatted for a few more minutes and her friends tried to take her away to go to the bar and she stayed. Somehow she started asking me about how old I was and after ignoring the question 3 times and hyper threading other conversations around it I told her she had to guess. She guessed 22 and I just smiled told her she was awesome, grabbed her head and kissed her lightly on the lips.. She looked really happy. We chatted for a bit more with her trying to ask me a whole bunch of questions and then her boyfriend came up and loitered over her. She introduced us and then he danced away slightly. I think I mentioned to her that she should come hang out with me sometime and she said that would be cool. I gave her my name and told her to add me on facebook figuring there was no way I’d get to fuck her that night. She added me the next day and sent me a message.

Success 2: Checkslovakian Chick

After about another half hour or so of watching the various show’s chatting to Don C and a few random girls, I was standing at the bar and this two set bumped into me spilling some drink on my new outfit. This small Mediterranean looking girl was acting overly sorry and trying to wipe the drink off me so both Don C and I laid into the girls for using it as a trick to pick up hot guys.. They looked at us laughing and said “It worked didn’t it..” from then it was basically on. The taller of the two was the one I was most drawn to and she was wearing ridiculously tight PVC which left not a lot to the imagination.. One thing I have to say about TG is that you know what you are getting straight away and there’s no getting the girl home only to find out she’s actually less hot than she looked in the club! She started testing me right off the bat and I just relied on my new super qualify mentality to deflect everything she said.

She asked me what kind of girls I liked and I used it as a lead in to my list of key qualities that I want from a girl.. I said: “Well for me a girlfriend would have to be bi-sexual, smoking hot, really comfortable with her sexuality and not at all into drugs.” She looked shocked but pleased. I added that the most important thing I look for in a girl was one who sought the truth and was honest. Honesty is actually the most important thing for me these days. She didn’t actually qualify herself to me until sometime after I kissed her but ultimately she started telling me how she was really honest, was bisexual, etc, etc.. I asked her what kind of girls she liked and she gave me a list of qualities. I told her I would try and find a chick matching the description and attempt to set something up. She seemed really pleased.

The kiss was key to this LR. She tested me like fuck after I told her what kind of girl I liked. Various gems came from her like “I bet you always say that”, “You think you can read me don’t you”, “you talk too much”, “What exactly do you want from me”. I actually used a new ‘technique’ to pull this one. She was giving me so much shit at the start that I just said ok well then maybe I shouldn’t talk to you anymore and turned my back to her at the bar. I then turned my head slightly, looking at her over my shoulder, smiled and when she came closer to talk to me leaned in and kissed her over my shoulder. After I did that she was all over me grabbing etc. I said we should get out of here and therein started the process of killing any resistance she might have had to the lay. She immediately said no, I have to stay with my friend and that we should just stay in the venue. There was no way I was going to just fuck her quietly in the corner somewhere so we basically walked around the club with me fingering her, squeezing her breasts, nipples, biting her neck and attempting to turn her on enough to leave. Ultimately what sealed the trip to her place was more qualification, I could have done this straight away and it would probably have worked.

I basically started questioning whether I was going to get to properly fuck her, saw a few other girls who looked hot and thought I need to get this as a guarantee or I’ll have to leave this one and get someone else. She blatantly picked up on the vibe which was obviously that I wanted to fuck her but that I was equally happy finding someone else. She started looking at me apologetically and saying things like her flat is really messy and that she has to stay with her friend. I said that I wasn’t even sure if I wanted to go back to her place explaining that I was into Tantric sex and that not all girls were uninhibited enough to enjoy it. She said I was chatting bullshit when I started telling her about it but asked a lot of questions, eventually asking me why I wanted to go back to her place anyway... I explained that I wasn’t sure I did as it depends. She was getting a little confused at this point and asked on what.. I said: “on whether you like anal”. She had a nice rubber clad ass and I really wanted to fuck it..! She was stunned for a second and couldn’t really process what I just said. Looking at me bemused she just said “What…” I explained that I ‘d found girls who don’t like anal are shit in bed”. Sat back and let her process that for a while.. Eventually she smiled and said she liked it, wanted to go back to hers and would get her friend. I got the feeling that I could have just said that 20 mins in and she would have done the same thing.

Re the threesome fuckup, I’ll probably post about that separately as FU but basically after she told me what kind of girl she liked I had a window where there was this really cute brunette sitting talking to a guy, I’d been checking her out for about 5 mins intermittently in-between kissing and she’d been looking at me while I was talking to the girl I was with. I should have just gone and opened her, especially after having a conversation about threesomes with the other girl. I basically choded out when I realised that the other girl would be watching me do the PU, OMG what if it fucks up etc, etc. I was mildly pissed at myself for not pushing the envelope yet again and probably took it out on the chick a little when we finally got back to her place.

Giving Value: Are you a giver or a taker

2008-06-29T15:23:00.000-07:00

What does it really mean to give value, why does spending time with some people make you feel good regardless of whether they actually do anything which directly benefits you. What is it about some people that makes you feel drained after they leave.. Why are some people always selfishly taking from others?

Giving value applies not just to us as PUA’s in relation to what we give to girls. It also applies to wings as in what value they give to each other and to girls that interact with you.

One thing about value which a lot of LSSers don’t seem to be aware of is what it means to be a good wing. Bad wings can kill not only your state but also your ability to actually PU anyone. I’ve had a few experiences now where wings basically come out, watch you open a set, come in, AMOG you and then relentlessly pursue the hottest girl in the group. Chodes almost always have very bad, hugely selfish wings and it’s one of the reasons they don’t get laid..!

I had one set last year go down like this:

Me: Hi guys. What’s up. Vibe Vibe Vibe.

Two minutes of conversation.

Girls: Where are you from, what’s your name, etc..

My 'friend' Appears: (speaking overly loudly while invading my personal space, grabbing my shoulder hard while also shaking me slightly) Hey dude, it’s your round.. Get me a …..

Basically this guy has learned that AMOG / Blowout game makes you look alpha.

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Slight digression but naturals do this a lot, a recent example being a guy who said to a 3 set of mine last week “This guys a player I’ve seen him doing this with lots of other girls” Obviously this guys retarded and forgetting his intent, it’s not exactly a bad thing for him to say..

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Anyway how to respond to something like that.

1. Either actively fight for the girls.. “Sorry dude, I’m talking”. Look alpha but also possibly cheap and like you don’t value your friends over the women.

2. Get the drink, allow the wing to loiter about, eventually take set and fuck it up.

I did number two at the time. Now I’d probably just ignore completely which after a few more of these I’ve found worked the best.

Getting back to the main point of this, giving value when your out with wings is that when you’re out with guys you should really feel you have a duty to help them as much as possible. If you don’t, go out alone.

Questions I now ask myself when winging.

How can I help my wings PU move more quickly.?
Will doing this help my wing get laid?

Now the wings I have at the moment are awesome, they generally DHV me to girls, and we work together to ‘own’ venues.

What I think some people need to become aware of is that:

a. Actively pursuing girls who your wing is into is counter productive, actively chatting up girls on behalf of your wing however is a great move and meets little or no resistance..
b. There are millions of women in the world and if you don’t personally know hot chicks who would date you, it’s basically your laziness and fear that’s the problem.
c. AMOG game is not something to unleash on 'friends' you are out with. Doing it is looser behaviour! Although it might well get you laid, do this on chodes if you must, provided you actually have the balls...
d. If you find yourself in a venue speaking to groups, involving your wing is always a good idea. If you have any doubts about that, get new wings.
e. Wings should be relentlessly pumping each others state.
f. Wings should be encouraging opening of all sets.
g. When out PUA’s need to agree who’s into who early on and stick to it.

Re point a. Chatting up girls on behalf of your wing.

Lets say your wing opens a set of ridiculously hot girls, chats for 10 mins, they laugh and really like him, he introduces you and you get chatting to the hottest one as freequently happens.

You could do the chode thing and attempt to chat her up yourself BUT.. if you instead start qualifying her on behalf of your wing, DHV him to her and start making her question whether she is good enough. “My wing is the one of the greatest guys I know”, “your not going to be one of those girlfriends who takes people away from their friends are you”, so can you cook, are you good in bed, rich, etc. etc. You not only make yourself seem very cool, you also are 20 times more likely to get in with this girls friends. When she inevitably pulls your wing, her mates will now be feeling social pressure to hook up with you.

Wings can either kill the whole thing or get you laid.

I’m curious, of all the guys on this forum who actually go out (the 50 or so of us ).

What kind of a wings are you guys and what does value mean to you in that context?

Fucking korean girls

2008-06-29T14:31:00.000-07:00

Summary of this post

Opening without thinking about it
Holding the frame
Not being put off by shyness
Constantly pushing for compliance
Leading her right up till the end

Friday night started messy, hit up a Lambada dance night which was supposed to be packed with hot girls and turned out to have about 10 in the whole place. After being introduced by a friend to a few people, linking up with thedeeboy and his wing, we decided to bounce to another venue.

As we walked towards the entrance to the bar, the bouncers asked if we are paying customers, thedeeboy said �if you insist� so the bouncer directed us towards a small kiosk. I wasn�t really paying attention to what they�d said and just walked right past the till and went straight into the venue. Thedeeboy saw that nobody seemed to be too bothered about the �paying customers�, so he just followed me right in through the entrance..nice �n smooth fresh start of the night. After watching this flexible dancer acrobatically hanging from the ceiling for a few minutes we sat next to a few girls and thedeeboy opened them as a throw away warm up set with something (not sure what) while I was sitting next to them at the bar. After about a minute a hot girl and a guy came into the set and basically grabbed the girls into a group hug, started jumping around with them and generally made it hard to have any more conversation. There was no interest in further investing in the set, so we moved right on�.

We saw a two oriental looking girls at the bar and decided they were worth opening. I walked over without thinking too much and just opened them with something about the drinks menu and how they had to help me choose something. I personally thought that this was an AFC/Chode opener but to be honest, I�ve recently found that the opener is really not making much difference at all. Their English was poor to begin with and I honestly thought it would probably be impossible to get anywhere with them. Surprisingly after they were hooked on us their English did improve slightly� I started finding out about the girl, turns out she�s an artist so I borrow a pen from the bar and have her draw a portrait of me on a paper napkin. I�m explaining how I�m going to put it in a gallery and make millions by selling it on ebay when she gets famous. We play around with a few different plotlines for a while, all based on taking something she told me about herself and exaggerating a new reality around it. She is laughing a lot of the time.

We get to a lull in the conversation and I lead her to the dancefloor a few feet away from thedeeboy with his girl and start doing my version of salsa. I�m crap at dancing and generally use it to escalate and isolate. My version involves holding hands constantly, some spins and a little body to body touching.. I still find it funny when girls tell me I�m good and always have to fight back the urge to say (in my most socially robotic voice) �No I�m not, your just attracted to me�.. We go back to the others after about half an hour of dancing.. I point out that we�ve been together for an hour and it feels like 5 minutes. She agrees and we are holding hands constantly now. I sit on a stool and place her hand on my thigh, I let go of her hand to see if she keeps it there and she doesn�t take it away. I look at the time and realise that I�m about to miss my last train. I say to her that it�s her fault and that because it didn�t seem like we had been together for very long I probably won�t be able to get home now. I tell her that she has to stay up all night with me now and she agrees. We chat about a few more things, mostly boring stuff but there is this charged vibe mainly because of the way I�m looking at her and rubbing / holding various parts of her body when we talk.

Thedeeboy gets his girl all excited about a venue change to Hagen Dazs for ice cream, even qualifying her on the type of ice cream choice she is gonna make. They both agree so we all take off together, holding hands as we walk there. I�m amping the touching like crazy on the way there, by the time we get there I�ve had both my hands inside her coat for a while �to keep warm�. We wait ages for a table and eventually end up sitting down, we joke for a while about things. Thedeeboy wants to get their juices going even more, so he introduces a subtle jealousy plotline in the mix as he opens the table next to us by asking them something about how to actually get the waiters attention. We had been waiting for 10 minutes and nobody had even acknowledged us.. We joke with them for a while, ignoring our girls a little, they get all giggly and are massively in to us, initiating more and more conversation all the time. After a lot of laughing, we finally choose some ice cream.

Thedeeboy, starts teasing his girl, blaming her of being an alcoholic, saying that we can�t take her home with us, since she will dig out the most expensive bottle from his wine cellar and she�ll only be trouble...she then like promises to be a good girl, and only drink up our cheap wine..only then do we allow her to come home with us. The venue change was so smooth, we came out from Hagen Dazs and we naturally go back to the car, there is no resistance or testing whatsoever from ether of the girls. All the venue changes have been so smoothly seeded and brought into the conversation that it seemed natural to just go with it. On the way to thedeeboy�s house he pulls over to check the wheel, his girl comes out of the car to check it with him (I knew this was bullshit immediately!) he hugs her to keep her warm and then kisses her. When we are back on the road, I motion to mine that I have something to tell her and she comes close, I whisper to her about what just happened outside and kiss her too. It becomes painfully obvious that she�s really shy.

Back at thedeeboy�s house I ask them to take off their shoes �so not to make too much noise walking about�. We all get a drink and then thedeeboy gives me a tour of the house, shows me were my room is while the girls wait downstairs. I get back into the room, we sit talking for a bit, after photos and a few sips of the drinks I offer to give my girl the guided tour of the house, as if I have been there thousands of times before. I take her to the garden and we look at the stars, I kiss her lightly, take her upstairs, show her the bedroom and kiss her again. She starts getting a little shy again so I take her back down stairs and then make out with her properly for ages when we are on the other side of the door from her friend. For some reason this made her feel more comfortable. After a bit I figure it�s best to stop and then move her again so we burst in on thedeeboy and his girl, almost catching thedeeboy about to fuck her brains out� A few quick clothes readjustments later and my girl didn�t seem to notice what was going down. I suggest to thedeeboy�s girl that she takes �the tour� too.

By now it�s fucking obvious what�s going down and she accepts willingly, so thedeeboy waltz�s off with his girl. I know they aren�t going to come back� My girl is kissing me more now but I know unless I can get her into the bedroom she won�t feel comfortable enough to get undressed. I say that I�m quite tired and need to go to bed soon but she just starts saying that she wants to stay up so I should go sleep.. I change tack and say I�ll stay up if she does. After sitting watching MTV for a few minutes I just think fuck it. Get up take her hand and lead her to the bedroom, no talking just pure leading. She complies.In the bedroom it�s going well and I get to the point where I undo her bra and she stops me by saying that we can only kiss, nothing more. I agree verbally, get up take off my jeans and tee shirt and get into bed. She turns over on her side and after about a minute I touch her hand saying �I thought you said kissing was ok, why are you angry.� She explains she�s not angry and so I ask her why she�s not kissing me� She carries on with the kissing.

I get my leg in between her legs and she starts getting more horny. She explains the reason that she didn�t want to do more is because she�s inexperienced and is worried she won�t be good. I reassure her and from then on it�s game over� Since I�ve been learning squirting (White tiger Tantra, squirting 101, etc) I like to do it on most of my lays. She was so turned on from the squirting that despite the fact that she was amazingly tight I was vigorously fucking her almost straight away. I thought about texting thedeeboy after a bit asking if he wanted to swap but was tired and figured there�s always next time�

The morning after we were all chilling out on the bed and thedeeboy decides that he wants the girls back next week for a threesome.. Nice.